S-Class Boats airborne in rough seas

Beery · 04-13-07, 07:20 AM

Check this out:

Subs should never get this far out of the water. At one point, just before I paused it to take the photo this sub was entirely airborne. This never happened in SH3. I don't know why it's happening in SH4. It seems like the devs didn't give the subs any real weight - they don't crash into wave troughs anymore.

AVGWarhawk · 04-13-07, 07:25 AM

Yes, I noticed this in rough seas. Dynamics need some work. As talented as you are at modding, can you do something with it?

Beery · 04-13-07, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes, I noticed this in rough seas. Dynamics need some work. As talented as you are at modding, can you do something with it?

Actually I'm probably better at putting together a bunch of mods than I am at the nitty-gritty of modding. If it's an image that needs tweaking or plain English data, that's easy, but when it gets into hex editing, alpha channels or weird physics models I'm lost. I think this one falls into the weird physics models area.

MRV · 04-13-07, 07:40 AM

I noticed similar things with a type II in SH3 but an S-Class is a little bit heavier.

Georg_Unterberg · 04-13-07, 08:10 AM

The S-Class in SH4 is too unstable - it feels like I'm commanding a *row boat*. Way too much rolling and pitching even in calm winds. It needs some tuning!

In stormy conditions you need the main pump to get the barf out of the boat

AVGWarhawk · 04-13-07, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georg_Unterberg

The S-Class in SH4 is too unstable - it feels like I'm commanding a *row boat*. Way too much rolling and pitching even in calm winds. It needs some tuning!

In stormy conditions you need the main pump to get the barf out of the boat

Not a row boat but a canoe

Beery · 04-13-07, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Georg_Unterberg

The S-Class in SH4 is too unstable - it feels like I'm commanding a *row boat*. Way too much rolling and pitching even in calm winds. It needs some tuning!

Too unstable? If anything I'm having the opposite problem with it - it's as solid as a rock. It never moves more than two or three degrees to port or starboard or towards the bow or stern. I wish it was a bit more unstable.

I don't understand why people are having such different experiences with it.

Sailor Steve · 04-13-07, 10:37 AM

I'm glad you brought up this weighty matter, but I'm not sure you understand the gravity of the situation. I'll dive into this subject more deeply, and float my conlusions to the devs.

flintlock · 04-13-07, 10:45 AM

That image does look quite silly. I haven't experienced this yet, though I did notice somewhat similar behavior in rough seas within SH3 (not to this extent, however). Perhaps this is more than mere tweaking can resolve, and more of a current engine limitation?

Georg_Unterberg · 04-13-07, 11:02 AM

Please have a look at how far the S-18 rolls at only 5 m/s wind - it simply doesn't feel right!

at 14-15 m/s it is practically not possible to use this boat surfaced, you are losing too much speed and are diving too often.
Watch will also leave station automatically when the boat is underwater in heavy sea.
Was this typical for S-class boats?

Skubber · 04-13-07, 11:05 AM

My s-boat never rolls that much. Not even in huge swells.
I want it to roll more. It is so stable, it doesn't feel like I'm on the ocean.

Hartmann · 04-13-07, 11:10 AM

Looks like a dolphin class..:hmm:

devs probably put a very low value for the sub weight.
But another problem is the underwater rail, the boat seems to be running with weels in shallow waters.

flintlock · 04-13-07, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Georg_Unterberg

Was this typical for S-class boats?

I don't know, but I doubt it.

I believe the S-class was an eleventh hour addition to SH4, to appease the fans. Perhaps the limited dev cycle to it is the root of the problem (I'm merely speculating). This odd S-class behavior may be addressed in a future patch. Either way, I really enjoy using this boat (one of my favorite).

ENIGMAXXI · 04-13-07, 11:25 AM

Re.: "the boats dont have any weight"

...play around with the "MASS" setting in the minitweaker for example, it works with sh4, fun giving a GATO a mass of 2450 (OR 35000, you'll dent the seafloor 1.2 secs after loading the game)...try it

Problem is, if any MASS value is entered the boat becomes unbalanced regarding trim and floatation so it'd have to be rebalanced. A GATO set to MASS 1700 will sail along nicely until you do a crash dive and it starts to "recover slowly" somewhere around 260ft or something like that

Avatar · 04-13-07, 11:45 AM

Were you recently depth charged? Sometimes, if youre DC'd your boat won't settle correctly, I think. It takes way too long, but seeing how I've never been DC'd, in real life, I really dont know.
anyHOO,
I once got my Akula II way up in the coulds in Sub Command. I think I still have the pic....

04-13-07, 07:20 AM	#1
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	S-Class Boats airborne in rough seas Check this out: Subs should never get this far out of the water. At one point, just before I paused it to take the photo this sub was entirely airborne. This never happened in SH3. I don't know why it's happening in SH4. It seems like the devs didn't give the subs any real weight - they don't crash into wave troughs anymore. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

04-13-07, 07:25 AM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes, I noticed this in rough seas. Dynamics need some work. As talented as you are at modding, can you do something with it? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-13-07, 10:37 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm glad you brought up this weighty matter, but I'm not sure you understand the gravity of the situation. I'll dive into this subject more deeply, and float my conlusions to the devs. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-13-07, 11:05 AM	#11
Skubber Officer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 239 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	My s-boat never rolls that much. Not even in huge swells. I want it to roll more. It is so stable, it doesn't feel like I'm on the ocean. __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." - Captain John Paul Jones, 1778

04-13-07, 11:10 AM	#12
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Looks like a dolphin class..:hmm: devs probably put a very low value for the sub weight. But another problem is the underwater rail, the boat seems to be running with weels in shallow waters. __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

04-13-07, 07:40 AM	#4
MRV Frogman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 296 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	I noticed similar things with a type II in SH3 but an S-Class is a little bit heavier.

04-13-07, 08:10 AM	#5
Georg_Unterberg Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 122 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	The S-Class in SH4 is too unstable - it feels like I'm commanding a row boat. Way too much rolling and pitching even in calm winds. It needs some tuning! In stormy conditions you need the main pump to get the barf out of the boat

04-13-07, 10:45 AM	#9
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That image does look quite silly. I haven't experienced this yet, though I did notice somewhat similar behavior in rough seas within SH3 (not to this extent, however). Perhaps this is more than mere tweaking can resolve, and more of a current engine limitation?

04-13-07, 11:02 AM	#10
Georg_Unterberg Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 122 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Please have a look at how far the S-18 rolls at only 5 m/s wind - it simply doesn't feel right! at 14-15 m/s it is practically not possible to use this boat surfaced, you are losing too much speed and are diving too often. Watch will also leave station automatically when the boat is underwater in heavy sea. Was this typical for S-class boats?

04-13-07, 11:25 AM	#14
ENIGMAXXI Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Re.: "the boats dont have any weight" ...play around with the "MASS" setting in the minitweaker for example, it works with sh4, fun giving a GATO a mass of 2450 (OR 35000, you'll dent the seafloor 1.2 secs after loading the game)...try it Problem is, if any MASS value is entered the boat becomes unbalanced regarding trim and floatation so it'd have to be rebalanced. A GATO set to MASS 1700 will sail along nicely until you do a crash dive and it starts to "recover slowly" somewhere around 260ft or something like that

04-13-07, 11:45 AM	#15
Avatar Commodore Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Way out there Posts: 603 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Were you recently depth charged? Sometimes, if youre DC'd your boat won't settle correctly, I think. It takes way too long, but seeing how I've never been DC'd, in real life, I really dont know. anyHOO, I once got my Akula II way up in the coulds in Sub Command. I think I still have the pic....