Crew on the bridge in reality?

cardician · 03-30-07, 11:08 AM

Yet another question about how the game mimics reality. So in bad weather with 15 km/hr winds and huge waves, there are numerous times when I'll be on the bridge and the entier boat and everyone on the bridge will submerge a couple meters under water. I'm assuming in bad weather this is realistic. My question, what did they do in real life? Did they really force people to man the bridge during such conditions? I'm assuming the people would have had to tie themselves off so they wouldn't go washing away. Not to mention I'm betting it would be VERY cold.

Man, modern day submariners have it easy. I was reading about one sub today that is so big there is literally a swimming pool in it?!? Now that's irony. :p

danlisa · 03-30-07, 11:21 AM

LOL, go and buy/rent Das Boot.

If you want to know what happens in bad weather.

Das ist Thomsen!!!!:rotfl:

Really, if the weather was bad enough to cover the bridge in RL then I suspect they either submerged to wait it out or did not maintain a watch crew. That's if waves could actually cover the bridge in RL, this is a game after all.

Genferret · 03-30-07, 11:26 AM

Heh, I don't recall really how bad the weather was, but if you have GWX installed (without the Das Boot optional video mod) sit at the menu some time and watch the video.

All I could say is "wow" several times over as I watched the conditions those guys were in on the bridge and sometimes on the deck manning guns.

After watching that I think there needs to be a mod that over-rides SH3s refusal to let you man the guns in bad weather. Maybe make it so there's a chance of a guy getting washed overboard (just make him die on deck) to keep the realism going, but after seeing those videos I think my men are a bunch of sissies for refusing to man the guns in some of the weather they've done so in.

cardician · 03-30-07, 11:31 AM

That's another question I had. Stock GWX, what video is that playing on the main menu? Is that Das Boot? Because there is also the mod you can add in that says something about a Das Boot video. Are they both from Das Boot?

But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me

Genferret · 03-30-07, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cardician

That's another question I had. Stock GWX, what video is that playing on the main menu? Is that Das Boot? Because there is also the mod you can add in that says something about a Das Boot video. Are they both from Das Boot?

But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me

From what I understand, what we are seeing there is actual war footage in that little screen on the right side of the menu.

Stock SHIII plays in-game footage.
GWX plays actual war footage.
GWX w/ the Das Boot mod enabled and you get Das Boot footage.

AVGWarhawk · 03-30-07, 12:05 PM

Yes, it was manned and with safety straps. The straps did not always hold. Hardegan transversed the Atlantic during operation drumbeat. He submerged for 55 miles of it. The rest was surfaced with men on the watch no matter the weather. He did have bad weather with waves coming over the tower.

3Jane · 03-30-07, 12:17 PM

Not being able to use the deck gun in bad weather makes sense. What I want is to be able to use the flak guns even of conditions are a litte rough. I would imagine they were used in actuality in such conditions. I have certainly had a use for them when passing through shallow waters and not being able to dive.

Jimbuna · 03-30-07, 12:30 PM

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew.

cardician · 03-30-07, 12:37 PM

See, that is why I LOVE this board. You guys (or gals) know so much fascinating stuff. I'm a bit of a history buff, especially war history so this is really cool to ask and find out. That's crazy those guys would suffer through such conditions in reality. I can't imagine how cold and miserable that was.

So the stock GWX is actual war footage? That's VERY cool. Anyone care to comment where that was found? Actual footage like that really interests me.

Definitely going to check out Das Boot too.

Go get "Operation Drumbeat" excellent read!!! I got a copy off Amazon for $9.00. Amongst other great books on the boats!

Jimbuna · 03-30-07, 12:46 PM

As long as it's just the board you love

Sailor Steve · 03-30-07, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cardician

But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me

There are two DVD versions available (the original theatrical release was 2-1/2 hours):

1) The Director's Cut: 3-1/2 half hours, better sound and subtitles.

2) The "Original, Uncut Version": 4 hours, 53 minutes, much more immersive, many extra scenes and narration by Leutnant Werner. It is basically the miniseries version with between-the-episodes titles and credits removed.

cardician · 03-30-07, 05:33 PM

Where would one get the uncut version? The only one I've seen available on Netflix here in the US (not that you aren't in the US but there seem to be people from all over on here

) is the 3 1/2 hour version. I probably would watch the uncut version if I could find it.:hmm:

P_Funk · 03-30-07, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The "Original, Uncut Version": 4 hours, 53 minutes, much more immersive, many extra scenes and narration by Leutnant Werner. It is basically the miniseries version with between-the-episodes titles and credits removed.

Why would you want to watch any other version?

03-30-07, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew.

I'm curious to know how they knew how long it was they'd been sailing blind if it was discovered an hour later...

P_Funk · 03-30-07, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Engel der Vernichtung

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew.

I'm curious to know how they knew how long it was they'd been sailing blind if it was discovered an hour later...

Perhaps they guaged it based on the last time they knew the crew was there.

03-30-07, 11:08 AM	#1
cardician Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 115 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Crew on the bridge in reality? Yet another question about how the game mimics reality. So in bad weather with 15 km/hr winds and huge waves, there are numerous times when I'll be on the bridge and the entier boat and everyone on the bridge will submerge a couple meters under water. I'm assuming in bad weather this is realistic. My question, what did they do in real life? Did they really force people to man the bridge during such conditions? I'm assuming the people would have had to tie themselves off so they wouldn't go washing away. Not to mention I'm betting it would be VERY cold. Man, modern day submariners have it easy. I was reading about one sub today that is so big there is literally a swimming pool in it?!? Now that's irony. :p

03-30-07, 11:21 AM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	LOL, go and buy/rent Das Boot. If you want to know what happens in bad weather. Das ist Thomsen!!!!:rotfl: Really, if the weather was bad enough to cover the bridge in RL then I suspect they either submerged to wait it out or did not maintain a watch crew. That's if waves could actually cover the bridge in RL, this is a game after all. __________________

03-30-07, 12:05 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes, it was manned and with safety straps. The straps did not always hold. Hardegan transversed the Atlantic during operation drumbeat. He submerged for 55 miles of it. The rest was surfaced with men on the watch no matter the weather. He did have bad weather with waves coming over the tower. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-30-07, 12:17 PM	#7
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not being able to use the deck gun in bad weather makes sense. What I want is to be able to use the flak guns even of conditions are a litte rough. I would imagine they were used in actuality in such conditions. I have certainly had a use for them when passing through shallow waters and not being able to dive. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

03-30-07, 12:30 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In October 41 U 106 (IXB) was sailing at full speed toward Convoy Outbound North 28 when a gale suddenly struck the boat in a following sea. A giant wave from astern 'pooped' the bridge, washing all four men on topside watch into the sea. The U 106 sailed blindly for nearly an hour before the mishap was discovered by the relieving watch crew. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-30-07, 11:26 AM	#3
Genferret Loader Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 85 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Heh, I don't recall really how bad the weather was, but if you have GWX installed (without the Das Boot optional video mod) sit at the menu some time and watch the video. All I could say is "wow" several times over as I watched the conditions those guys were in on the bridge and sometimes on the deck manning guns. After watching that I think there needs to be a mod that over-rides SH3s refusal to let you man the guns in bad weather. Maybe make it so there's a chance of a guy getting washed overboard (just make him die on deck) to keep the realism going, but after seeing those videos I think my men are a bunch of sissies for refusing to man the guns in some of the weather they've done so in.

03-30-07, 11:31 AM	#4
cardician Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 115 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's another question I had. Stock GWX, what video is that playing on the main menu? Is that Das Boot? Because there is also the mod you can add in that says something about a Das Boot video. Are they both from Das Boot? But yeah, actually I plan on getting a copy of Das Boot to watch. I hear the version on DVD is 3 1/2 hours. Sounds good to me

03-30-07, 12:37 PM	#9
cardician Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 115 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	See, that is why I LOVE this board. You guys (or gals) know so much fascinating stuff. I'm a bit of a history buff, especially war history so this is really cool to ask and find out. That's crazy those guys would suffer through such conditions in reality. I can't imagine how cold and miserable that was. So the stock GWX is actual war footage? That's VERY cool. Anyone care to comment where that was found? Actual footage like that really interests me. Definitely going to check out Das Boot too. Go get "Operation Drumbeat" excellent read!!! I got a copy off Amazon for $9.00. Amongst other great books on the boats! Last edited by AVGWarhawk; 03-30-07 at 01:43 PM.

03-30-07, 12:46 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	As long as it's just the board you love __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-30-07, 05:33 PM	#12
cardician Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 115 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Where would one get the uncut version? The only one I've seen available on Netflix here in the US (not that you aren't in the US but there seem to be people from all over on here ) is the 3 1/2 hour version. I probably would watch the uncut version if I could find it.:hmm: