Medals...why are they not the proper names?

aso544 · 03-23-07, 12:28 AM

Why did they change the name of the medals?

MOH is now a Medal of Valor
Navy Cross is called a Victory Cross
Purple Heart is now a Wound Medal
Silver Star is a Patrol Star

Seems pretty lame to me

sgt.weasle · 03-23-07, 12:47 AM

ya seems really lame. could it be for legal reasons???? anyone?

NefariousKoel · 03-23-07, 01:17 AM

Victory Cross? Wound Medal?

Sounds like an amalgamation of British and German medals. Hopefully they were placekeeper names until they got around to giving them proper ones.

SeeFalke · 03-23-07, 01:26 AM

What kills me is not only are the names wrong but the images of the medals are all wrong as well. I hope that either they fix this in a future patch or someone more talented than me in the modding community make realistic ones.

Tigrone · 03-23-07, 01:29 AM

They obviously were developed to be purely generic and symbolic. They only vaguely look like US medals. The 'Medal of Valor' looks much more like a Soviet Order of Glory than it does any US Medal. I don't like this. I find it annoying.

I think this goes along with the Lancaster with the upside down US star. It's not designed to simulate what was real.

fullmetaledges · 03-23-07, 02:12 AM

yeah pretty lame, sh1 had real ones altho I remember getting the navy achievement medal and that didn't come about until the 50's. rather get that than the stupid make up crap. Hows about MOH, Navy Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Submarine War Patrol Badge

daft · 03-23-07, 02:15 AM

It's probably because of legal reasons.

fullmetaledges · 03-23-07, 02:19 AM

like you can't be falsely awarded graphic representations of real medals unless you earned them in real life. It's not the same as wearing medals or claiming to have been awarded medals in real life, it's a video game, it's not like the congressional medal of honor is trademarked. they even have games named after the medal of honor.

P_Funk · 03-23-07, 02:31 AM

Well in SH3 guys were able to change the medal textures so I'm sure that they can make them look real. And I'm sure that somebody will do that right quick.

I'm having a vision...

I see a thread in the... the... the SH4 Mod forums... it starts with a [REL]... Yes the name underneath?... nvDrifter? I'm not surprised at all...

Grothesj2 · 03-23-07, 02:42 AM

Although I cant effectivly play the game yet becuase of my crap video card, I noticed these faux medals in the manual. Ridiculous to spend so much time detailing everything else so superbly then using these bogus medal knock-offs.

daft · 03-23-07, 03:11 AM

I'm 99% certain that most US real life medals are copyrighted or in some way protected from being used arbitrarily in commercial products. Hence the fake medals.

Grothesj2 · 03-23-07, 03:20 AM

If actors in movies can use them, no reason why a game company cant. Heck I remember games like that old Apache helecopter sim had proper medals even back then. Didnt IL2 have proper names for medals, even if the images were stylized some?

fullmetaledges · 03-23-07, 03:33 AM

so did the original b-17 flying fortress from microprose

daft · 03-23-07, 03:40 AM

Yes, but we don't know if you have to get permission before using them in a game/movie. I'm speculating here, but it seems very odd if the devs just decided to make some medals up instead of using the real ones just to cut some corners. That would only mean more work, not less. I would also find it rather strange if the US didn't give a toss about how their medals are used. I would imagine that some kind of approval would have to be in place first.

P_Funk · 03-23-07, 04:44 AM

Of all the games out there though, don't you think that SH4 is the last game that wouldn't get approval? I mean its a sim. Most sims don't exactly insult the memory of the fallen.

03-23-07, 12:28 AM	#1
aso544 Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 54 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Medals...why are they not the proper names? Why did they change the name of the medals? MOH is now a Medal of Valor Navy Cross is called a Victory Cross Purple Heart is now a Wound Medal Silver Star is a Patrol Star Seems pretty lame to me

03-23-07, 01:17 AM	#3
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Victory Cross? Wound Medal? Sounds like an amalgamation of British and German medals. Hopefully they were placekeeper names until they got around to giving them proper ones. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

03-23-07, 01:26 AM	#4
SeeFalke Watch Join Date: May 2001 Location: Norfolk Virginia Posts: 17 Downloads: 84 Uploads: 0	What kills me is not only are the names wrong but the images of the medals are all wrong as well. I hope that either they fix this in a future patch or someone more talented than me in the modding community make realistic ones. __________________ A. J. Contino *"SeeFalke"*

03-23-07, 01:29 AM	#5
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	They're generic cracker jack prizes. They obviously were developed to be purely generic and symbolic. They only vaguely look like US medals. The 'Medal of Valor' looks much more like a Soviet Order of Glory than it does any US Medal. I don't like this. I find it annoying. I think this goes along with the Lancaster with the upside down US star. It's not designed to simulate what was real. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

03-23-07, 02:15 AM	#7
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	It's probably because of legal reasons. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

03-23-07, 12:47 AM	#2
sgt.weasle Watch Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: creston bc canada Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	ya seems really lame. could it be for legal reasons???? anyone?

03-23-07, 02:12 AM	#6
fullmetaledges Chief Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 314 Downloads: 120 Uploads: 0	yeah pretty lame, sh1 had real ones altho I remember getting the navy achievement medal and that didn't come about until the 50's. rather get that than the stupid make up crap. Hows about MOH, Navy Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Submarine War Patrol Badge

03-23-07, 02:19 AM	#8
fullmetaledges Chief Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 314 Downloads: 120 Uploads: 0	like you can't be falsely awarded graphic representations of real medals unless you earned them in real life. It's not the same as wearing medals or claiming to have been awarded medals in real life, it's a video game, it's not like the congressional medal of honor is trademarked. they even have games named after the medal of honor.

03-23-07, 02:31 AM	#9
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Well in SH3 guys were able to change the medal textures so I'm sure that they can make them look real. And I'm sure that somebody will do that right quick. I'm having a vision... I see a thread in the... the... the SH4 Mod forums... it starts with a [REL]... Yes the name underneath?... nvDrifter? I'm not surprised at all... __________________

03-23-07, 02:42 AM	#10
Grothesj2 Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 167 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Although I cant effectivly play the game yet becuase of my crap video card, I noticed these faux medals in the manual. Ridiculous to spend so much time detailing everything else so superbly then using these bogus medal knock-offs.

03-23-07, 03:11 AM	#11
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I'm 99% certain that most US real life medals are copyrighted or in some way protected from being used arbitrarily in commercial products. Hence the fake medals. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

03-23-07, 03:20 AM	#12
Grothesj2 Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 167 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If actors in movies can use them, no reason why a game company cant. Heck I remember games like that old Apache helecopter sim had proper medals even back then. Didnt IL2 have proper names for medals, even if the images were stylized some?

03-23-07, 03:33 AM	#13
fullmetaledges Chief Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 314 Downloads: 120 Uploads: 0	so did the original b-17 flying fortress from microprose

03-23-07, 03:40 AM	#14
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Yes, but we don't know if you have to get permission before using them in a game/movie. I'm speculating here, but it seems very odd if the devs just decided to make some medals up instead of using the real ones just to cut some corners. That would only mean more work, not less. I would also find it rather strange if the US didn't give a toss about how their medals are used. I would imagine that some kind of approval would have to be in place first. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

03-23-07, 04:44 AM	#15
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Of all the games out there though, don't you think that SH4 is the last game that wouldn't get approval? I mean its a sim. Most sims don't exactly insult the memory of the fallen. __________________