PLEASE fix the MAINTAIN DEPTH

rdhiggins · 03-23-07, 01:16 PM

I would like to play SH4, but cannot due to a bug that was introduced in 1.1.

This bug as reported by MANY other users is causing a CTD when leveling the sub by pressing A or the depth gauge.

I have been in the IT field for over 23 years writing software business applications. Mind you not PC games. The reason that I state this is after I make code changes I will perform a unit test to verify my change resolves the issue and does not create another. Now since I did the development then a different QA person actuallys performs a test.

Based on this it does not really appear that the devs actually performed either test since obviously this is a major function.

I was and still am very impressed with SH4 but I would feel a lot more comfortable if the devs would slow down a little and make sure the quality is their in the product. Afterall that is what brings you new customers as well as your continued customer base.

SharpShin · 03-23-07, 01:20 PM

I'm sure that one is high on the list for the next patch.

Onkel Neal · 03-23-07, 01:20 PM

It will be fixed, calm down, mate

Fat Bhoy Tim · 03-23-07, 01:21 PM

IT field or not, just make sure both your Windows and all device drivers are up to date, because not everyone is having it apparently.

gnirtS · 03-23-07, 01:23 PM

Although irritating its not one of the massive show stopper bugs really.

Provided you reinstalled just clicking on the depth gauge where the current needle is will accomplish near enough the same thing for now.

If worried about hitting the button by accident, simply remove its keymap in commands.cfg

I suspect bug introduced because its trying to do some kind of unit conversion and overflowing/getting confused and dumping out.

The entire game is still based in metric and just converts through to imperial. Notice depth call outs are 33ft, 66ft, 101ft and so on - ie 10 METRE steps. Also depth under keel is "over 3280.1ft"....So that'll be 1000m then

Fairly sure this is whats causing the CTD bug.

Psyon · 03-23-07, 01:52 PM

agree on the depth readings, thanks, now i know

was wondering what was going on..33ft 66ft etc.

Fishu · 03-23-07, 05:47 PM

It works fine with the metric system. Lay off the imperial for now!

Ducimus · 03-23-07, 07:44 PM

I thought the game crashing after pressing 'A' was a bit odd, im so glad i read this thread.

Defiantly gonna try setting the game to the metric system now and see if the CTD bug goes away.

gnirtS · 03-23-07, 09:06 PM

My guess is as the game still runs behind the scenes in metric its a conversion screwup of sorts.

Im guessing the "Maintain depth" command in the code simply reads the current depth then calls the function to set depth and uses that as the figure. Ie the same as "Make my depth <11111>".

Somewhere along the line its trying a conversion (or not trying a conversion it should do), getting an invalid response and dieing as a result.

If it DOES work in metric setting its even more of a hint the above is whats happening.

Good news is if thats the case its about 3 lines of code to fix it.

jdski · 03-23-07, 09:28 PM

Still crashes for me pressing "A" if set to metric. I tried changing the maintain depth to another key. It crashes no matter what key it's set to.

mookiemookie · 03-23-07, 09:36 PM

Trust our fearless leader. If Neal says it'll be fixed, it'll be fixed. To borrow a mafia phrase, "he knows people who know people" if you know what I mean.

Ducimus · 03-23-07, 09:37 PM

Does it still crash when using the depth gauge as opposed to the A key?

gnirtS · 03-23-07, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Does it still crash when using the depth gauge as opposed to the A key?

Most people stopped that by uninstalling the game, completely deleting its directory structure. Then reinstalling, before running apply v1.1 THEN run it.

Worked for me and most others i think.

mookiemookie · 03-23-07, 09:48 PM

I haven't run into crashes using the depth gauge and I patched the 1.1 patch over a clean install, so I can vouch for that.

The "A" key is still a "quick exit to Windows" though. See how I put a positive spin on that?

Ducimus · 03-23-07, 10:10 PM

LOL.

i better remark out the A key on my files then, theres two keys i used alot in SH3.

D and A

Just call me, Mr 275 meters

03-23-07, 01:16 PM	#1
rdhiggins Mate Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 57 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	PLEASE fix the MAINTAIN DEPTH I would like to play SH4, but cannot due to a bug that was introduced in 1.1. This bug as reported by MANY other users is causing a CTD when leveling the sub by pressing A or the depth gauge. I have been in the IT field for over 23 years writing software business applications. Mind you not PC games. The reason that I state this is after I make code changes I will perform a unit test to verify my change resolves the issue and does not create another. Now since I did the development then a different QA person actuallys performs a test. Based on this it does not really appear that the devs actually performed either test since obviously this is a major function. I was and still am very impressed with SH4 but I would feel a lot more comfortable if the devs would slow down a little and make sure the quality is their in the product. Afterall that is what brings you new customers as well as your continued customer base.

03-23-07, 01:21 PM	#4
Fat Bhoy Tim Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 338 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	IT field or not, just make sure both your Windows and all device drivers are up to date, because not everyone is having it apparently. __________________ Some men are born great, some achieve greatness, and some will always be total gits.

03-23-07, 01:52 PM	#6
Psyon A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 76 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	agree on the depth readings, thanks, now i know was wondering what was going on..33ft 66ft etc. __________________ USS Silversides [SS-236] USS Blackfin [SS-322] Well Done Pops

03-23-07, 09:36 PM	#11
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Trust our fearless leader. If Neal says it'll be fixed, it'll be fixed. To borrow a mafia phrase, "he knows people who know people" if you know what I mean. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

03-23-07, 09:48 PM	#14
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I haven't run into crashes using the depth gauge and I patched the 1.1 patch over a clean install, so I can vouch for that. The "A" key is still a "quick exit to Windows" though. See how I put a positive spin on that? __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

03-23-07, 01:20 PM	#2
SharpShin Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 47 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I'm sure that one is high on the list for the next patch.

03-23-07, 01:20 PM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	It will be fixed, calm down, mate

03-23-07, 01:23 PM	#5
gnirtS Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Wales, UK Posts: 237 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Although irritating its not one of the massive show stopper bugs really. Provided you reinstalled just clicking on the depth gauge where the current needle is will accomplish near enough the same thing for now. If worried about hitting the button by accident, simply remove its keymap in commands.cfg I suspect bug introduced because its trying to do some kind of unit conversion and overflowing/getting confused and dumping out. The entire game is still based in metric and just converts through to imperial. Notice depth call outs are 33ft, 66ft, 101ft and so on - ie 10 METRE steps. Also depth under keel is "over 3280.1ft"....So that'll be 1000m then Fairly sure this is whats causing the CTD bug.

03-23-07, 05:47 PM	#7
Fishu Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Undel Vadel Cleadule Posts: 10 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It works fine with the metric system. Lay off the imperial for now!

03-23-07, 07:44 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I thought the game crashing after pressing 'A' was a bit odd, im so glad i read this thread. Defiantly gonna try setting the game to the metric system now and see if the CTD bug goes away.

03-23-07, 09:06 PM	#9
gnirtS Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Wales, UK Posts: 237 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	My guess is as the game still runs behind the scenes in metric its a conversion screwup of sorts. Im guessing the "Maintain depth" command in the code simply reads the current depth then calls the function to set depth and uses that as the figure. Ie the same as "Make my depth <11111>". Somewhere along the line its trying a conversion (or not trying a conversion it should do), getting an invalid response and dieing as a result. If it DOES work in metric setting its even more of a hint the above is whats happening. Good news is if thats the case its about 3 lines of code to fix it.

03-23-07, 09:28 PM	#10
jdski Gunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 95 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Still crashes for me pressing "A" if set to metric. I tried changing the maintain depth to another key. It crashes no matter what key it's set to.

03-23-07, 09:37 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Does it still crash when using the depth gauge as opposed to the A key?

03-23-07, 10:10 PM	#15
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	LOL. i better remark out the A key on my files then, theres two keys i used alot in SH3. D and A Just call me, Mr 275 meters