A request for all Silent Hunter 4 Forum posters

John Channing · 03-21-07, 03:13 PM

So far today I have been called pathetic, a moron, and heaven knows what else (haven't read all the threads).

Neal has also been slagged off and it has been implied that he is secretly paid by Ubisoft to promote their wares.

A number of other Moderators have been the subject of personal attacks.

People.. that is not what Subsim.com is about.

We toss the word "community" around quite cheaply, but when push comes to shove I really wonder.

No one here is saying don't voice your concerns and complaints. Quite the opposite. For the developers to deliver another excellent piece of work they need our feedback. We are the hardcore, the grognards, the best-of-the-best and we know what we are talking about.

BUT...

We need to do it in a manner that respects not only the other person's ideas and position, but also their feelings. We are better than some of the behaviour we have seen here over the last few days. I know we are because I have been around here from the very beginning and I have seen it all.

So my request is this.

Continue to voice your concerns, but know what you are talking about first, and then do it in a positive, respectful manner. If you happen to be the Director of Marketing for UbiSoft, and you signed the memo that stated "PUSH SILENT HUNTER 4 OUT THE DOOR EARLY... SCREW THE FANS" then by all means comment on the inner dealings there. Otherwise talk about things you know about.

If your are one of the development team and you want to complain about Dan going on endless coffee breaks while you were trying to get the AA working, then by all means do so. Otherwise talk about things you know about.

If you want to threaten Ubisoft this is not the place to do it. If you want to jump on a "UBI SUX" bandwagon this is not the place to do it. If you want to take cheap shots at the developers this really isn't the place to do it.

And if you want to take shots at Neal... well... you and I will be having a chat real soon.

This is the place to make things better, not engage in silly, childish name calling, taunts, threats and uninformed accusations.

Keep it honest, informative and informed and things will be fine.

Thanks for the soapbox.

JCC

DMarkwick · 03-21-07, 03:23 PM

Thanks for the hard work and understanding John, gaming "communities" are unfortunately the most demanding and unreasonable of online communities IMO, often taking quite minor issues to hysterical levels.

Perhaps a few days of merciless culling of useless repetative threads might help things along. It's having free reign to voice anything that occurs to people to complain about, again and again that is easily half the problem here. I'm not advocating censorship, just culling of useless threads for a few weeks, those threads that already have open topics elsewhere.

John Channing · 03-21-07, 03:32 PM

No thanks necessary. Neal pays me a fabulous amount of money to do this.

The cull idea isn't bad, but I really prefer to let these things die a natural death. The really ugly, pointless ones can always be locked, but the little windstorms that blow up fast usually blow over just as fast.

Of course some topics refuse to die (Starforce anyone).

JCC

Hitman · 03-21-07, 03:35 PM

Fortunately, time plays in these forums the same role as darwinian evolution in the species. In some weeks/months, the natural selection will eliminate all those who have their throats dry and hurt from yelling and whining around, as they will tyre and go away to do whatever other thing, or relax and enjoy the sim and all mods that start to blossom around (There are already some appearing in the nearby SH4 mods forum). But until then, I hope this call from John Channing serves as a cool-down reminder of the originally friendly and peaceful character of these forums. This happened before with SH2 and with SH3, so it was to expect it would happen again. Time will put everything in its place, and the joy in SH4 will surpass that of SH3, same as the joy in SH3 surpassed the one in SH2.

Spaxspore · 03-21-07, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

No thanks necessary. Neal pays me a fabulous amount of money to do this.

The cull idea isn't bad, but I really prefer to let these things die a natural death. The really ugly, pointless ones can always be locked, but the little windstorms that blow up fast usually blow over just as fast.

Of course some topics refuse to die (Starforce anyone).

JCC

Dude john, ive noticed alot of hot heads since the release of this game... and people r unleashing thier dogs of war at people just cause they have a different opinion on a topic.

A constructive discussion is one thing, but when another user personally attacks another who happens to have a difference of opinion is in my book completly uncalled for.....

NefariousKoel · 03-21-07, 03:37 PM

Don't worry, JC.

After a week or so of frantic "the sky is falling" syndrome, they'll calm down. Tensions are running high on a release everyone here had been awaiting for some time.

Please feel free to stab those people in the face who feel the need to complain about no anti-aliasing in every thread on every one of their posts. That gets old

after a time.

Schunken · 03-21-07, 03:46 PM

...this is a great place....with nice poeple....

and a patch will out soon, so what?

...and about graphics....and AA

..my playstation 3 outdate any PC on the todays market.... make it looks like a Commodore C64....

but there is no Subsims for Consoles

anyway I bet that this will be the last Subsim for a very long time....

Andreas

Skweetis · 03-21-07, 03:48 PM

John!

I recall this happening at the release of SH2 and SH3, thankfully it always cools down after a while...

I just hope that its sooner this time!

OddjobXL · 03-21-07, 03:50 PM

I'm new here myself, at least as a member - I've drifted in and out over the years to read reviews and the like. Folks should remember they're guests here and things will be fine. Though breaking out some discipline once in a while might not be that terrible. I vote for keel-hauling!

Immacolata · 03-21-07, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

No thanks necessary. Neal pays me a fabulous amount of money to do this.

The cull idea isn't bad, but I really prefer to let these things die a natural death. The really ugly, pointless ones can always be locked, but the little windstorms that blow up fast usually blow over just as fast.

Of course some topics refuse to die (Starforce anyone).

JCC

Well you deserve a 100% raise then. Two beers per month!

Thanks for keeping a tidy ship. Hope that in a week the sillyness lowers. On the intarwebs its often easy to forget yout good behaviour.

Gizzmoe · 03-21-07, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata

Hope that in a week the sillyness lowers.

IMO it hasn´t even fully started, 95% of our members don´t even have SH4 yet...

Takeda Shingen · 03-21-07, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata

Hope that in a week the sillyness lowers.

IMO it hasn´t even fully started, 95% of our members don´t even have SH4 yet...

Sadly, you are correct Gizz.

AJ! · 03-21-07, 04:09 PM

Well due to the recent release of SH4 and the interest sparked by it, we are getting a huge wave of new members.... The number of posts and threads per day has suddenly sky rocketed in the SH4 section.

Of course this may bring in some bad seeds.... who knows. I cant really speak about new peeps, in the long run i guess im kinda recent :hmm:

Ducimus · 03-21-07, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ!

Well due to the recent release of SH4 and the interest sparked by it, we are getting a huge wave of new members.... The number of posts and threads per day has suddenly sky rocketed in the SH4 section.

Of course this may bring in some bad seeds.... who knows. I cant really speak about new peeps, in the long run i guess im kinda recent :hmm:

I was about to post remaking on just that. A problem is, too many of them are used to posting like this is an MMO messageboard.

DaMaGe007 · 03-21-07, 04:26 PM

I tried to warn you in the "stop the negativity thread" it was bound to happen not just in that thread but in others.

Both Neal and some moderators and other forum posters insulted "complainers"

calling them girls, accusing them of crying (children), saying its a shallowing of the gene pool, saying its the "me" generation (calling them self centered)

The complainers werent attacking anyone else on this forum, just remember who threw the first stones.

Im glad that thread has dropped off the first page, but thats where the personal attacks started occuring. This thread is not helping either.

This doesnt need to be said John, this thread is only going to continue the bitching and fanboyizm, the war ensues.

The Fanboys and Complainers could have coexisted although disagreeing, untill people started taking sides against fellow forum members.

Ballance in the forum should have been provided not by asking for it, but by posting screens from your game, patrol logs, threads talking about the good aspects.

The complaints are to be expected when a product is released in this state, Ubi only have them selves to blame for the negative aspects occuring and the Fanboys dont need to save the day for the good of the games future...

EDIT:I hope this thread drops off the main page quickly too, as I can see we have the personal attacks against forum members continuing already in this thread.

03-21-07, 03:13 PM	#1
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	A request for all Silent Hunter 4 Forum posters So far today I have been called pathetic, a moron, and heaven knows what else (haven't read all the threads). Neal has also been slagged off and it has been implied that he is secretly paid by Ubisoft to promote their wares. A number of other Moderators have been the subject of personal attacks. People.. that is not what Subsim.com is about. We toss the word "community" around quite cheaply, but when push comes to shove I really wonder. No one here is saying don't voice your concerns and complaints. Quite the opposite. For the developers to deliver another excellent piece of work they need our feedback. We are the hardcore, the grognards, the best-of-the-best and we know what we are talking about. BUT... We need to do it in a manner that respects not only the other person's ideas and position, but also their feelings. We are better than some of the behaviour we have seen here over the last few days. I know we are because I have been around here from the very beginning and I have seen it all. So my request is this. Continue to voice your concerns, but know what you are talking about first, and then do it in a positive, respectful manner. If you happen to be the Director of Marketing for UbiSoft, and you signed the memo that stated "PUSH SILENT HUNTER 4 OUT THE DOOR EARLY... SCREW THE FANS" then by all means comment on the inner dealings there. Otherwise talk about things you know about. If your are one of the development team and you want to complain about Dan going on endless coffee breaks while you were trying to get the AA working, then by all means do so. Otherwise talk about things you know about. If you want to threaten Ubisoft this is not the place to do it. If you want to jump on a "UBI SUX" bandwagon this is not the place to do it. If you want to take cheap shots at the developers this really isn't the place to do it. And if you want to take shots at Neal... well... you and I will be having a chat real soon. This is the place to make things better, not engage in silly, childish name calling, taunts, threats and uninformed accusations. Keep it honest, informative and informed and things will be fine. Thanks for the soapbox. JCC

03-21-07, 03:35 PM	#4
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Fortunately, time plays in these forums the same role as darwinian evolution in the species. In some weeks/months, the natural selection will eliminate all those who have their throats dry and hurt from yelling and whining around, as they will tyre and go away to do whatever other thing, or relax and enjoy the sim and all mods that start to blossom around (There are already some appearing in the nearby SH4 mods forum). But until then, I hope this call from John Channing serves as a cool-down reminder of the originally friendly and peaceful character of these forums. This happened before with SH2 and with SH3, so it was to expect it would happen again. Time will put everything in its place, and the joy in SH4 will surpass that of SH3, same as the joy in SH3 surpassed the one in SH2. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-21-07, 03:37 PM	#6
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Don't worry, JC. After a week or so of frantic "the sky is falling" syndrome, they'll calm down. Tensions are running high on a release everyone here had been awaiting for some time. Please feel free to stab those people in the face who feel the need to complain about no anti-aliasing in every thread on every one of their posts. That gets old after a time. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

03-21-07, 03:48 PM	#8
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	John! I recall this happening at the release of SH2 and SH3, thankfully it always cools down after a while... I just hope that its sooner this time! __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

03-21-07, 04:09 PM	#13
AJ! Commodore Join Date: May 2006 Location: That lil island above france Posts: 601 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well due to the recent release of SH4 and the interest sparked by it, we are getting a huge wave of new members.... The number of posts and threads per day has suddenly sky rocketed in the SH4 section. Of course this may bring in some bad seeds.... who knows. I cant really speak about new peeps, in the long run i guess im kinda recent :hmm: __________________

03-21-07, 03:23 PM	#2
DMarkwick Shore leave Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 70 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the hard work and understanding John, gaming "communities" are unfortunately the most demanding and unreasonable of online communities IMO, often taking quite minor issues to hysterical levels. Perhaps a few days of merciless culling of useless repetative threads might help things along. It's having free reign to voice anything that occurs to people to complain about, again and again that is easily half the problem here. I'm not advocating censorship, just culling of useless threads for a few weeks, those threads that already have open topics elsewhere.

03-21-07, 03:32 PM	#3
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	No thanks necessary. Neal pays me a fabulous amount of money to do this. The cull idea isn't bad, but I really prefer to let these things die a natural death. The really ugly, pointless ones can always be locked, but the little windstorms that blow up fast usually blow over just as fast. Of course some topics refuse to die (Starforce anyone). JCC

03-21-07, 03:46 PM	#7
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	...this is a great place....with nice poeple.... and a patch will out soon, so what? ...and about graphics....and AA ..my playstation 3 outdate any PC on the todays market.... make it looks like a Commodore C64.... but there is no Subsims for Consoles anyway I bet that this will be the last Subsim for a very long time.... Andreas

03-21-07, 03:50 PM	#9
OddjobXL Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 119 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm new here myself, at least as a member - I've drifted in and out over the years to read reviews and the like. Folks should remember they're guests here and things will be fine. Though breaking out some discipline once in a while might not be that terrible. I vote for keel-hauling!

03-21-07, 04:26 PM	#15
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I tried to warn you in the "stop the negativity thread" it was bound to happen not just in that thread but in others. Both Neal and some moderators and other forum posters insulted "complainers" calling them girls, accusing them of crying (children), saying its a shallowing of the gene pool, saying its the "me" generation (calling them self centered) The complainers werent attacking anyone else on this forum, just remember who threw the first stones. Im glad that thread has dropped off the first page, but thats where the personal attacks started occuring. This thread is not helping either. This doesnt need to be said John, this thread is only going to continue the bitching and fanboyizm, the war ensues. The Fanboys and Complainers could have coexisted although disagreeing, untill people started taking sides against fellow forum members. Ballance in the forum should have been provided not by asking for it, but by posting screens from your game, patrol logs, threads talking about the good aspects. The complaints are to be expected when a product is released in this state, Ubi only have them selves to blame for the negative aspects occuring and the Fanboys dont need to save the day for the good of the games future... EDIT:I hope this thread drops off the main page quickly too, as I can see we have the personal attacks against forum members continuing already in this thread.