Intel on Diving Depth?

CaptJodan · 03-20-07, 09:43 AM

For those who remember the early days of SHIII, you might remember that many of the subs beyond, say, the Type VII had much the same tolerences for crush depth, even though the boats were decidedly very different as the war progressed.

Given it looks like a lot more are starting to get the game, I'm just busting to know what our test/crush depths are looking like here. I noticed crush depth is unimpressive visually and especially in the sound department from the "first impressions" post, but I'm wondering whether a Gato starts crushing at Test depth of 300, or are we able to go down farther? Is it variable or static?

So any word on this? Has anyone deliberately tested to see if if those builders did their job right?

Threadfin · 03-20-07, 09:51 AM

I'd like to know too, but don't confuse test depth with crush depth. If they were the same, every sub would be lost in trials

9th_cow · 03-20-07, 10:21 AM

S Class - Test Depth - 60 m
Pourpoise - Test Depth - 75 m
Salmon Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Sargo Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Tambor Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gar Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gato Class - Test Depth - 90 m
Balao Class - Test Depth - 120 m

in my experience you go much below those and your not comming back up.

Sailor Steve · 03-20-07, 10:23 AM

Crush depth should be roughly double the test depth. Emphasis on "roughly".

CaptJodan · 03-20-07, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 9th_cow

in my experience you go much below those and your not comming back up.

Hmm. Well, they are different and that is good on test depth but I sure hope what Sailor Steve said is more in line than what you're saying. Sounds like they don't have a very large safey margin under test depth.

It may yet need tweeking. Time will tell. Happily we know this is possible as it was done really quickly in the mod community in SH3, so I'm not too worried.

Ducimus · 03-20-07, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th_cow

S Class - Test Depth - 60 m
Pourpoise - Test Depth - 75 m
Salmon Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Sargo Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Tambor Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gar Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gato Class - Test Depth - 90 m
Balao Class - Test Depth - 120 m

in my experience you go much below those and your not comming back up.

Theres the one of the first things that get modded i'll wager. Nevermind that 90 meters is 295 feet, it just looks bad is all. What was the average, deepest recorded dive for a gato and balao anyway?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Crush depth should be roughly double the test depth. Emphasis on "roughly".

What was the test depth? Its early and i havent had coffee yet. Im just curious is all.

CaptJodan · 03-20-07, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Theres the one of the first things that get modded i'll wager. Nevermind that 90 meters is 295 feet, it just looks bad is all. What was the average, deepest recorded dive for a gato and balao anyway?

I can't be sure, but many numbers have been brandied about around here. I think the most we've CONFIRMED for sure is 600+, since that's as far as the depth gauge went. I think that was on a Balao, but I'm not sure. I've also read 715 around here, but, even if true, it's likely very rare.

Regardless, this is considerably more than what they've got so far (from reports anyway, I don't have the game). But yeah, this'll likely be one of the first and probably one of the easier things, at least if it works the same as SH3, to mod.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

What was the test depth? Its early and i havent had coffee yet. Im just curious is all.

Probably not far from some of these numbers. The Gato did have a test around 300 feet. The Balaos had a test depth at 400 feet.

9th_cow · 03-20-07, 04:50 PM

damage has a more realistic effect than before. i took a holed sub down to 40, and it wasnt possible to come back up.
you really take your life in your hands now if you go under whilst damaged

Sailor Steve · 03-20-07, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9th_cow

What was the average, deepest recorded dive for a gato and balao anyway?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Crush depth should be roughly double the test depth. Emphasis on "roughly".

What was the test depth? Its early and i havent had coffee yet. Im just curious is all.

I was just looking at a book on the history of submarines from the 1600s to the present, and they had this to say about the Balao class: Test depth was 400 feet, and calculated crush depth 900 feet.

Further than that I can't say; but I agree in thinking that in the game they ought to be in some kind of feet!

CaptJodan · 03-20-07, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Further than that I can't say; but I agree in thinking that in the game they ought to be in some kind of feet!

Agreed completely Steve. I love the metric system (I know, traitor to America I am) because of the ease of conversion and such, but this IS an American boat. I DO NOT want meters in my American boat. If the option to turn to imperial isn't implimented, I think that mod will have to come even before the crush depth mod.

dean_acheson · 03-20-07, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9th_cow

S Class - Test Depth - 60 m
Pourpoise - Test Depth - 75 m
Salmon Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Sargo Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Tambor Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gar Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gato Class - Test Depth - 90 m
Balao Class - Test Depth - 120 m

in my experience you go much below those and your not comming back up.

my tambor just imploded at 85m......... took it a second, some leaks... and boom.

Zero Niner · 03-20-07, 07:49 PM

IIRC Dick O'Kane brought the USS Tang down to 600' whilst supervising the sea trials of his boat.

NefariousKoel · 03-20-07, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9th_cow

S Class - Test Depth - 60 m
Pourpoise - Test Depth - 75 m
Salmon Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Sargo Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Tambor Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gar Class - Test Depth - 75 m
Gato Class - Test Depth - 90 m
Balao Class - Test Depth - 120 m

in my experience you go much below those and your not comming back up.

my tambor just imploded at 85m......... took it a second, some leaks... and boom.

It sounds like they took "test depth" as crush depth.

Mod time!

03-20-07, 09:43 AM	#1
CaptJodan A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 75 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Intel on Diving Depth? For those who remember the early days of SHIII, you might remember that many of the subs beyond, say, the Type VII had much the same tolerences for crush depth, even though the boats were decidedly very different as the war progressed. Given it looks like a lot more are starting to get the game, I'm just busting to know what our test/crush depths are looking like here. I noticed crush depth is unimpressive visually and especially in the sound department from the "first impressions" post, but I'm wondering whether a Gato starts crushing at Test depth of 300, or are we able to go down farther? Is it variable or static? So any word on this? Has anyone deliberately tested to see if if those builders did their job right?

03-20-07, 09:51 AM	#2
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I'd like to know too, but don't confuse test depth with crush depth. If they were the same, every sub would be lost in trials __________________ What? Behind the rabbit?

03-20-07, 10:23 AM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Crush depth should be roughly double the test depth. Emphasis on "roughly". __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-20-07, 10:21 AM	#3
9th_cow Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 182 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	S Class - Test Depth - 60 m Pourpoise - Test Depth - 75 m Salmon Class - Test Depth - 75 m Sargo Class - Test Depth - 75 m Tambor Class - Test Depth - 75 m Gar Class - Test Depth - 75 m Gato Class - Test Depth - 90 m Balao Class - Test Depth - 120 m in my experience you go much below those and your not comming back up.

03-20-07, 04:50 PM	#8
9th_cow Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 182 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	damage has a more realistic effect than before. i took a holed sub down to 40, and it wasnt possible to come back up. you really take your life in your hands now if you go under whilst damaged

03-20-07, 07:49 PM	#12
Zero Niner Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,033 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	IIRC Dick O'Kane brought the USS Tang down to 600' whilst supervising the sea trials of his boat.