Shader 2.0 vs 3.0

JoshuaTree · 03-11-07, 04:54 AM

How big will the difference be if you will play with 2.0 or 3.0?
Will 2.0 even run?

AJ! · 03-11-07, 04:57 AM

I think you will find SH4 uses PS 2.0 and not 3.0
I doubt there will be much of a difference between the two because of this and i assume most people use PS 3.0 anyway

Oh and welcome to Subsim

JoshuaTree · 03-11-07, 05:02 AM

Thanks for the info. Im running 2.0. I brought the last GF 5000 card (FX 5950 Ultra) some years ago. I sould have waited some months and brought a 6000 card. But if I still can play SHIV with it, the problem is gone!

Gizzmoe · 03-11-07, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshuaTree

But if I still can play SHIV with it, the problem is gone!

You can, but only at minimum to low-medium details.

THE_MASK · 03-11-07, 05:43 AM

Scroll to the bottom of the page for system requirements

http://digitalstore.ubi.com/product....d=178&pid=3264

Does NOT mention supporting a 5000 series card

AJ! · 03-11-07, 05:49 AM

To be honist Josh, you can get a geforce 6 series for quite a cheep price now... I recommend searching for a Geforce 6600 card. its cheap and you will be able to play SH4 on med-High no prob

Gizzmoe · 03-11-07, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

Does NOT mention supporting a 5000 series card

The 5xxx series supports PS 2.0, so it does work.

tommyk · 03-11-07, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshuaTree

How big will the difference be if you will play with 2.0 or 3.0?
Will 2.0 even run?

DevChat>The minimum requirements to run SH4 would be: 2GHz processor (Pentium IV or equivalent AMD Athlon), 1GB of RAM, DirectX 9 video card with Pixel Shader v2.0, Vertex Shader v2.0 with 128MB of RAM
DevChat> A recommended system will have: 3GHz processor, 2GB of RAM, DirectX 9 video card with PS 3.0, VS 3.0 and 256MB of RAM.

I have not seen any comparisons in SH4 yet but since the devs wrote that PS3/VS3 are recommended I assume they actualy used them strongly which makes very much sense when it comes to transparent water simulation.

Drebbel · 03-11-07, 07:35 AM

I noticed that Vertex Shader goes up as high as 8 for some cards.

Would a card that supports Vertex Shader above 3 result in better
graphics for SH4 ?

tommyk · 03-11-07, 08:29 AM

Currently SH4 supports Vertex Shaders up to Version 3.0 (dx9c) Maybe there will be a a further enhancement in a patch to 4.0 (dx10). I dont know about a version beyond 4.0

Gizzmoe · 03-11-07, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drebbel

I noticed that Vertex Shader goes up as high as 8 for some cards.

Would a card that supports Vertex Shader above 3 result in better
graphics for SH4 ?

No, that´s only the number of vertex shaders a card has, hardware-wise. The lastest VS version itself is 4.0, that´s for DX10 cards. The more vertex shaders a card has, the faster it is going to process those instructions. DX9 cards support Vertex Shader 3 and have up to 8 vertex shaders.

Drebbel · 03-11-07, 09:41 AM

Thanks Gizzmoe, that explains it !

tommyk · 03-11-07, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ!

I think you will find SH4 uses PS 2.0 and not 3.0
I doubt there will be much of a difference between the two because of this and i assume most people use PS 3.0 anyway

SH4 uses 2.0 OR 3.0! Hmm, I think in SH4 the difference between 2.0 and 3.0 may be transparent water effects. It can be done with 2.0 but 3.0 has some real good advantages. we will find out very soon!

CruiseTorpedo · 03-11-07, 12:14 PM

Those are very cool pictures but I wonder if the frame rates are high enough for smooth play with shader 3 turned on? I own an xbox360 and I have gears of war, wondered if that's shader 3 because it looks very good! I dont know if it's quite that good (as in that pic of the new far cry) but it looks very nice.

I bet anyone running a shader 3 game would need an uber fast cpu with loads of ram and crap. Ahh maybe next christmas I'll have the dough saved up for such a system, but I doubt it LOL

Hartmann · 03-11-07, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ!

To be honist Josh, you can get a geforce 6 series for quite a cheep price now... I recommend searching for a Geforce 6600 card. its cheap and you will be able to play SH4 on med-High no prob

True, i have this card and is good low cost solution, and runs very well in all games at 1024x768, i played a lot of games with very smooth frame rates
(doom3, sh3, serious sam 2,farcry,etc)

i don´t want change my card until i upgrade my computer . with a new motherboard,cpu,and graphic c.

03-11-07, 04:54 AM	#1
JoshuaTree Nub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Shader 2.0 vs 3.0 How big will the difference be if you will play with 2.0 or 3.0? Will 2.0 even run?

03-11-07, 04:57 AM	#2
AJ! Commodore Join Date: May 2006 Location: That lil island above france Posts: 601 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think you will find SH4 uses PS 2.0 and not 3.0 I doubt there will be much of a difference between the two because of this and i assume most people use PS 3.0 anyway Oh and welcome to Subsim __________________

03-11-07, 05:49 AM	#6
AJ! Commodore Join Date: May 2006 Location: That lil island above france Posts: 601 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	To be honist Josh, you can get a geforce 6 series for quite a cheep price now... I recommend searching for a Geforce 6600 card. its cheap and you will be able to play SH4 on med-High no prob __________________

03-11-07, 08:29 AM	#10
tommyk Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Near U-995 (Kiel, Germany) Posts: 337 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Currently SH4 supports Vertex Shaders up to Version 3.0 (dx9c) Maybe there will be a a further enhancement in a patch to 4.0 (dx10). I dont know about a version beyond 4.0 __________________ Gute Jagd und fette Beute!

03-11-07, 05:02 AM	#3
JoshuaTree Nub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the info. Im running 2.0. I brought the last GF 5000 card (FX 5950 Ultra) some years ago. I sould have waited some months and brought a 6000 card. But if I still can play SHIV with it, the problem is gone!

03-11-07, 05:43 AM	#5
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Scroll to the bottom of the page for system requirements http://digitalstore.ubi.com/product....d=178&pid=3264 Does NOT mention supporting a 5000 series card

03-11-07, 07:35 AM	#9
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I noticed that Vertex Shader goes up as high as 8 for some cards. Would a card that supports Vertex Shader above 3 result in better graphics for SH4 ?

03-11-07, 09:41 AM	#12
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Thanks Gizzmoe, that explains it !

03-11-07, 12:14 PM	#14
CruiseTorpedo Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 112 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Those are very cool pictures but I wonder if the frame rates are high enough for smooth play with shader 3 turned on? I own an xbox360 and I have gears of war, wondered if that's shader 3 because it looks very good! I dont know if it's quite that good (as in that pic of the new far cry) but it looks very nice. I bet anyone running a shader 3 game would need an uber fast cpu with loads of ram and crap. Ahh maybe next christmas I'll have the dough saved up for such a system, but I doubt it LOL