WW2 Italian Submarines

Officerpuppy · 03-05-07, 09:43 PM

Alright so here I am writeing a small paper for my military history class on Admiral Doenitz. I'm looking at wiki over the battle of the atlantic, out of curiosity. Right at the bottom under external links I see one called "Sub.net ITALIA: Italian Submarines in Battle of Atlantic Pages" I was like wow....why did I never think of that before? :hmm: I've always heard about US subs, German subs, British subs *barely* but Italian? Hmm...I clicked the link but it does not work.

Can anyone shed some light on this "new" idea for me

What did Italian subs look like? where did they operate and their sucesses, or failures?

bookworm_020 · 03-06-07, 12:27 AM

Found a link htat gives a time line of italian submarine action,

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2270/ww2e.htm

It's not much, but it's a start

Mush Martin · 03-06-07, 12:38 AM

The Italians had many many many designs
some tiny and some cumbersome
some good performers many not.

Highlights for the Italian subs are

Archimede and torricelli
Gallelei and Ferraris

The Brin Class boats

The Revolutionary commerce raiding torpedo
layout of Cagni.

Gondar and Scire and there association with
the Human torpedos

and the Da Vinci group of submarines
that operated In the south atlantic.

MM

Bertgang · 03-06-07, 04:13 AM

Sorry for subnetitalia, it's really interesting when working.

Anyway, you could find lot of informations also here: http://www.regiamarina.net/subs/index.htm

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-06-07, 06:11 AM

Germans used these four Italian submarines at 12th Flotilla in Bordeaux:
UIT-22 Alpino Bagnolini
UIT-23 Reginaldo Giuliani
UIT-24 Comandante Cappellini
UIT-25 Luigi Torelli

Bertgang · 03-06-07, 07:55 AM

These four were sized after italian surrender.

Betasom (the official name for our flotilla in Bordeaux) reached for short time a strenght of thirty units about.

The most unexpected add was the coastal sub "Perla", evacuated before the lost of his base in eastern africa.

The most successfull one was the "Tazzoli", a quite obsolete oceanic boat with two deck guns.

The most successfull patrol was made by another one, sinking about 60.000 tons in 1943, when this kind of performance was becoming a bit difficult.

kiwi_2005 · 03-06-07, 08:32 AM

Italians were one of the best for sneaking into ports with those 2 man mini subs and blowing ships up.:hmm: Read abit about them. Can't exactly remeber now, but in one port they had a merchant that had a false bottom and used this for launch of their mini subs/recon missions allies never found out about it till after the war.

Marcantilan · 03-06-07, 08:54 AM

You are talking (writing...) about DECIMA MAS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima_Flottiglia_MAS

Bertgang · 03-06-07, 10:41 AM

Vikipedia is fine for the general picture, but some details are wrong.

Decima (tenth) Mas was the elite unit who made these strikes, but MAS isn't at all the acronym for their crafts.

MAS is the acronym for "motoscafo armato silurante", meaning light and fast torpedoboat.

The craft used by our frogmen was officially named SLM, but it's better known as Maiale (Pig); not a midget submarine, mostly a modified drivable torpedo, carrying two men and magnetic mines.

Kiwi is right; the merchant was used for a strike at Gibraltar.

For the strike at Alexandria, the carrier was the sub Scirè.

Mush Martin · 03-06-07, 05:39 PM

SLM translates to english as SCT "Slow Course Torpedo's"

03-05-07, 09:43 PM	#1
Officerpuppy Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mansfield, TX Posts: 213 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	WW2 Italian Submarines Alright so here I am writeing a small paper for my military history class on Admiral Doenitz. I'm looking at wiki over the battle of the atlantic, out of curiosity. Right at the bottom under external links I see one called "Sub.net ITALIA: Italian Submarines in Battle of Atlantic Pages" I was like wow....why did I never think of that before? :hmm: I've always heard about US subs, German subs, British subs barely but Italian? Hmm...I clicked the link but it does not work. Can anyone shed some light on this "new" idea for me What did Italian subs look like? where did they operate and their sucesses, or failures?

03-06-07, 12:27 AM	#2
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Found a link htat gives a time line of italian submarine action, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2270/ww2e.htm It's not much, but it's a start __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

03-06-07, 12:38 AM	#3
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The Italians had many many many designs some tiny and some cumbersome some good performers many not. Highlights for the Italian subs are Archimede and torricelli Gallelei and Ferraris The Brin Class boats The Revolutionary commerce raiding torpedo layout of Cagni. Gondar and Scire and there association with the Human torpedos and the Da Vinci group of submarines that operated In the south atlantic. MM __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-06-07, 06:11 AM	#5
Kpt. Kozloff Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands, UK Posts: 305 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Germans used these four Italian submarines at 12th Flotilla in Bordeaux: UIT-22 Alpino Bagnolini UIT-23 Reginaldo Giuliani UIT-24 Comandante Cappellini UIT-25 Luigi Torelli __________________ GWX1.03/Cmdr2.7/plus all sorts of tweaks

03-06-07, 08:32 AM	#7
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Italians were one of the best for sneaking into ports with those 2 man mini subs and blowing ships up.:hmm: Read abit about them. Can't exactly remeber now, but in one port they had a merchant that had a false bottom and used this for launch of their mini subs/recon missions allies never found out about it till after the war. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

03-06-07, 04:13 AM	#4
Bertgang Sparky Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 158 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Sorry for subnetitalia, it's really interesting when working. Anyway, you could find lot of informations also here: http://www.regiamarina.net/subs/index.htm

03-06-07, 07:55 AM	#6
Bertgang Sparky Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 158 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	These four were sized after italian surrender. Betasom (the official name for our flotilla in Bordeaux) reached for short time a strenght of thirty units about. The most unexpected add was the coastal sub "Perla", evacuated before the lost of his base in eastern africa. The most successfull one was the "Tazzoli", a quite obsolete oceanic boat with two deck guns. The most successfull patrol was made by another one, sinking about 60.000 tons in 1943, when this kind of performance was becoming a bit difficult.

03-06-07, 08:54 AM	#8
Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	You are talking (writing...) about DECIMA MAS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima_Flottiglia_MAS __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

03-06-07, 10:41 AM	#9
Bertgang Sparky Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 158 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Vikipedia is fine for the general picture, but some details are wrong. Decima (tenth) Mas was the elite unit who made these strikes, but MAS isn't at all the acronym for their crafts. MAS is the acronym for "motoscafo armato silurante", meaning light and fast torpedoboat. The craft used by our frogmen was officially named SLM, but it's better known as Maiale (Pig); not a midget submarine, mostly a modified drivable torpedo, carrying two men and magnetic mines. Kiwi is right; the merchant was used for a strike at Gibraltar. For the strike at Alexandria, the carrier was the sub Scirè.

03-06-07, 05:39 PM	#10
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	SLM translates to english as SCT "Slow Course Torpedo's" __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial