Europe - Thy Name Is Cowardice (article)

[SUBMAN1]

Wow! This one is kind of powerful! Definitely worth the read.

-S

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532876/posts

(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, 'Europe - your family name is appeasement.' It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe, where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word 'equidistance,' now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement.
How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic Fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a 'Muslim Holiday' in Germany?

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our
(German) Govern ment, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State 'Muslim Holiday' will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European 'Peace in our time'.

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by 'tolerance' and 'accommodation' but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against Democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those 'arrogant Americans', as the World Champions of 'tolerance', which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why?
Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.

While we criticize the 'capitalistic robber barons' of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to 'reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive'.

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement?

Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

[Skybird]

That Menry Broder is a good one. I red his book, from which this is an excerpt.http://www.spiegel.de/international/...462149,00.html

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That Menry Broder is a good one. I red his book, from which this is an excerpt.http://www.spiegel.de/international/...462149,00.html

You're in Germany - what is up with that Muslim Holiday BS? Is that true?

-S

[Onkel Neal]

I hope you don't mind, I added "Article" to the title of the thread. That article is very provacative and it would not take much looking for people to find similarly themed articles "America: the mental wasteland", etc. I don't believe a flurry of such hit pieces would do a lot for the mood in here.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I hope you don't mind, I added "Article" to the title of the thread. That article is very provacative and it would not take much looking for people to find similarly themed articles "America: the mental wasteland", etc. I don't believe a flurry of such hit pieces would do a lot for the mood in here.

You have a negative opinion of the mood here! Be more positive! That is why I have been posting a lot of jokes lately - to liven things up a bit. Anyway, this article was not written by an American - but by a European!

-S

PS. By the way, I'm catching you on # of posts.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You're in Germany - what is up with that Muslim Holiday BS? Is that true?

-S

It was brought up by a Green party member who serves as the republic's jester 24/7. He also finds it a good idea that the German national anthem should be supplemented with a second verse - in Turkish language. That helps integration, he says.

The holiday story was some months ago. It was laughed down by most people. Probably only a question of time until somebody puts it back on the agenda again, though.

[Smaragdadler]

just for skybird:


http://www.jungewelt.de/2007/01-17/020.php

http://www.henryk-broder.de/schmock_der_woche/

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

just for skybird:


http://www.jungewelt.de/2007/01-17/020.php

http://www.henryk-broder.de/schmock_der_woche/

There is a difference between Broder, and the authors of the two articles you linked. Broder does not hide that this one book by him that the essays are about and that I red myself, is meant as a provocating polemic. the authors of the two essay are not less polemic - but they take themselves serious and think their niveau is any better. And their policy is obvious: defend Islam from another attack on it by deleting the credibility of the attacker. Islam must be successful, else the left would have to admit that it's ambitions and highflying plans to domesticate and tame it were a failure, and a dangerous folly from the beginning. And that cannot be because it shall not be. If the reality cannot be bend, than simply make people change their interpretation of it.

Discussion about Islam in Germany is based on intellectual illiteracy, and existing problems are always, always glossed over, ignorred, or declared to be the guilt of the germans, while the immigrants are always the poor, willing, misunderstood victims that are confronted with zero chances and german hostility. That the willingness of newcoming Muslims to integrate is decreasing, and never was that high as was stated by so many wannabe-experts, that the young seocnd generation Muhammedans in Germany are far more religiously ambitoned and redicalised and hostile towards Western standards, and that we have these many problems always and almost exclusively with Muhammedans, almost never (or at substantial lesser degrees only) with Europeans, Russian, Africans, peope from Asia, South America, North America, is ignored. It also is asked on rare occasions only if maybe there are well-justified reasons why more and more Germans (already a solid majority today) oppose Islam in general, and ongoing Islamic "immigration" in special. they all suffer from hallucinations only, I assume. Allowing such questions - that would be racism! The bad word that in Germany silences any unwanted debate immediately. There is always a lot of talking about their "rights" (even rights that they do not have, or that even Germans would not have), but there is never much talk about their duties, obligations and their need to integrate themselves. Broder wants to provoke discussion, and disturbing the intellectual paralysis, the sunday afternoon holiday mood of the fed up, sleepy, self-satisfied burgeoisie that thinks problems will get solved by ignoring them. Watering flowers is so much more peaceful, isn't it. Kreissler once called his country of origin, Austria, a nation of "Blumengiesser". I call the Germans the same.

Broder's polemic is well-dosed. He is basing on uncomfortable facts. He picks the facts, expresses them in an irnoic way, and shows up links by which they are belomnging together over time, because these time-links are often forgotten soon in our short-memory-culture with 20 seconds news-shows. His examples in that book are true, and can't be denied. Not many others dare to bring them up and insisting on the troubles being caused by Muhammedan ideology. If you hear such people in TV, you realise that they immediately come under massive fire from all camps, or are feeling so guilty that they put it in more and more gentle words voluntarily and even excuse themselves for being of that non-conformal opinion. Most islam discussion on TV - are basing on horrific incompetence and non-existant knowledge that is replaced by sexy catch-phrases and empty slogans, and also self-denial and historcal forging. the audience swallows it - for it has not knowlöedge basis by which to judge the quality of the crap that is presented. A flock of sheep. As to be expected, social scientist driven by the spirit of the rebellious 68-generation and pedagogical supertheories (that long since have prooved their failure and missing of realities), professional all-understanders, well-meaning mass-talkers with oh so wide and warm hearts, and political lefts are in the lead here.

If the one author accuses Broder of representing a low niveau, then he has not got Broder's intention, and I also would recommend him to read some of the books by Raddatz, whose writings are an intellectual tour de force through history, scripture and academical analysis of Islam, with lots of secondary literature, much of it from Islamic sources. This is academical hardcore. This is top class niveau, the author contributed to several works about Islam that internationally are considered to be standard works today, and he co-authored the encyclopedia on Islam, another voluminous standard work of western university libraries. They are difficult and long readings, usually, not as short and harmless like my usual essays . His reward was to be ignored in Germany, and when Muhammedans issued a fatwha against him and his life since then is in danger, police even said to reduce protection, for they would not be able to continue with it (rumour is cause of political pressure), so he had to flee Europe and now lives in America. He was literally executing europe's many illusions. For that he was kicked out. So that the usual show can go on over here...

Ironically, there are (or were) many hate-sites attacking Raddatz. And very many of them are/were not driven by Muhammedans, but non-Muhammedan Germans. Never threat the lull illusions of the burgeosie, it teaches us.

And wonder oh wonder, although of very different academical niveau, Raddatz in his books attacks the very same things and comes to the same conclusions like Broder. The difference is that he is not a Jew, and says little about Israel, and only talks about Judaism were it is needed to understand Christian faith. For compensation he brandmarks the foolishness of the churches' policies of the last fourty years, and attacks the last pope with irresistable argument. I liked to see such an expert sharing my bitter disgust for John Paul II.

So again, the book by Broder, "Hurra wir kapitulieren", is an intended, but well-founded, well-dosed polemic. The basis of argument is solid and well-researched, and then gets expressed with lots of irony. That is where the polemic is coming from.

that irony that comes from bitterness, because in principle Broder loves Europe, its promising past and high civilisation it once had reached, and can't get over it easily that now it is going down the drain, and all those precious values of humanism, "egalite, liberté, fraternité", are getting corrupted and silently murdered. I feel very much the same hidden sadness and bitterness.

[Penelope_Grey]

The whole purpose of trying to keep Hitler sweet was to buy time because the allies were not in a position to fight him. Furthermore, there is no shame in trying to find a non-violent solution to problems.

My mother always taught me that the superior person hates conflicts of any kind. Frankly this guy sounds like an old blow hard full of hot air.

[HunterICX]

Agreed penelope,

we have our ways, america his.
because if you want to see both side
both we arent CLEAN

we let the jews die by hitler and the muslims in kosovo.
how many indians died because america wanted to expend its terrirtory?

dont just tell half a story and DO NOT TAKE the last century as an example for cowardly europeans
Like we always talked, just take some mayor wars in history to tell the story on how we europeans are.

and do you really think we are cowards because we let the muslim do everything they want? FYI 1. they are not all bad the ones that adapt, 2. the ones who refuse to adapt we dont like, but we cannot express it because the governement will shut us up. the governement is controlled by cowardly left side morons who talk talk talk talk , when the PEOPLE want to see something DONE. and dont get me started , europe will be in trouble because the governement hasnt done anything and allowed the immigrants too much. and I can ensure you one day in the future it will turn out in a civil war in some countries because I,m pretty darn sure that some immigrants in high numbers want to claim a own part of the country. and that will turn out really nasty. but we will see what happens , nothing can be said this early

almost forgot..americans? If you follow the families back all the way down. you all have been a european.

so the guy who wrote that article only wrote a small portion of history. so thereby I cannot agree with him

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

The whole purpose of trying to keep Hitler sweet was to buy time because the allies were not in a position to fight him. Furthermore, there is no shame in trying to find a non-violent solution to problems.

My mother always taught me that the superior person hates conflicts of any kind. Frankly this guy sounds like an old blow hard full of hot air.

Think of it. Islam is on a massive drive throughout the West. within a time frame of maximum 150 years, for simple demographicla reasons, the vast majority of Europeans countries will be Muslim dominated countries. On the othe hand, foreign religions and cultures in Islamic countries (in ALL Islamic countries) slowly but surely get eradicated, a process that is running since cneturies. The Islamic offer of dhimmitude (Schutzbefohlenheit) is a status of open discrimination, and attempted enforcment of submitting to Islam. It has as much to do with protection of a religious minoirty by islam, as was the paradise ghetto in Warsaw a paradise.

Hating conflict is noble (Islamic teachings love conflict, and even demands it, just a short side-remark, and calls those not willing to die in fight against infidels more or less openly stupid). But sometimes conflict, wanted or not, nevertheless is needed. But the West simply tries to well-mean it to the end. If your mother would have had her way with Hitler, as I understand you, than I maybe would wear a black uniform with skulls and bones on the collar patch, maybe.

[Skybird]

Possible I lost track of whom is meant with "that guy", Broder, or the author of subman's essays, or the authors of the two critical essays. If you feel targetted for wrong, you know why. I understood "that guy" to be meaning Broder.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Possible I lost track of whom is meant with "that guy", Broder, or the author of subman's essays, or the authors of the two critical essays. If you feel targetted for wrong, you know why. I understood "that guy" to be meaning Broder.

If you refer to my post I ment ''Henry Broder''

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I liked to see such an expert sharing my bitter disgust for John Paul II.

A Just War is ultimately defensive. Give the other cheek, then shoot them.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

The whole purpose of trying to keep Hitler sweet was to buy time because the allies were not in a position to fight him.

Document this, please.

Furthermore, there is no shame in trying to find a non-violent solution to problems.

Fooling oneself and ignoring reality is often shameful.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
- Winston Churchill