Yearly Bitch!

captcav · 03-04-07, 03:21 AM

Ah, so the time has come around for my yearly bitch on DW, the greatest of naval sims that hasn't lived up to it potiental.

Well another year has rolled by and I see some patches have been relased, but nothing actually has changed in the game? must take my hat off to the boys for their updated skins on the subs, but the above surface action still remains to be sub-standard, boring, comical crap! Still we have the single rail ffg plottting along doing the same thing with its lack of attack ability, no new ships have been added, no new features that would draw me back to the game, in one word, STALE!

Yeah yeah bitch on i hear ya say, we so we bloody well should, what a game this could be if it weren't for the 2d narrowed vision of the devlopers. Did they honestly in all seriousness think we wouldnt' get bored in about 2 weeks if we werent able to make additions to the games? what a flop! you've cut your own throats! and will continue to do so unless you allow these talented modders to add to the game!

Well must be off now, had my bitch, hope some poeple get their asses kicked for this appaling lack of additions to the game, its outrageous, and your surface still are coming second best to a 97' Janes Naval sim! have a think about that!

Chow.

Captcav

LuftWolf · 03-04-07, 03:51 AM

Maybe you are playing the demo? :hmm:

XabbaRus · 03-04-07, 05:09 AM

And your point is?

Well hopefully you will stay away for another year.

DivingWind · 03-04-07, 06:59 AM

Walk the plank, Captcav!

Bill Nichols · 03-04-07, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuftWolf

Maybe you are playing the demo? :hmm:

captcav · 03-04-07, 07:56 PM

ahh good to see its the same people responding. Look, this game has alot to give, and yeah, i used to get deeply involved in the board stroke of the game play, but, i think everyone deep down would agree that it is way way way overtime for a re-fit, and some additions. I think the game is great, but it's not realised! cause there has been a cap put on it for some stupid reason that doesn't unlock the full potiental of the game is all.

but, hey, we all live in hope.

Captcav

udadni · 03-04-07, 09:54 PM

The full potential of this game lies in the ability to create exciting new scenarios, which the fine folks at SCS gave us with their omnipotent mission editor. Yeah, it's a bummer that we can't drive every boat to have sailed under the 7 seas, but with the 7 platforms we have, there is still lots of exploration to do! I think we should be bloody grateful that SCS has continued to support and patch the game upto this point, espicially with the grumpy folk that plague and nag on these forums.

Fearless · 03-05-07, 12:41 AM

Yeah!!!

Do we have to read that bitchin' again in a years time:rotfl:

Dr.Sid · 03-05-07, 06:05 AM

This game really sux.
But hell why do I mind so much ? Why do I play it so much ? It just sux in a really nice way !

Ok ok .. I just mean .. there is no law of nature (or God or whatever) which would imply that games must be perfect. So they are not. You don't like it ? Don't play it. Whining does not help. For sure not here, for sure not now (when DW is more or less closed).

But I understand you in a way .. we all see the potential.

SUBMAN1 · 03-05-07, 03:23 PM

I think he is waiting for Fleet COmmand on top of the DW engine. That is my take. I'd love to take out a Ticonderoga or something!

-S

captcav · 03-05-07, 04:02 PM

Well yeah, i guess, but im looking at other flexible platforms such as VS7, which! let me make this clear! in no way have the functionality of DW, in mission editors, or anything else, but allows its community to contribute in the way of creativity, and expanded usability above, and below the surface.

Have a look a fs9, was a huge hit, purely based on the ability to add-on, using standard templates, and high detailed models, they made it into a cult. I for one would love to see the DW community expand, but I think the restrictions imposed dont allow for such expansion.

Sure id love play every ship for every country, but thats not possible, what i was originally trying to get across is the fact that sub-surface gameplay is focused on alot more than above, meaning, one surface ship, the FFG, which is great, and does it's job, but the need is there for DDG, or CG, on both sides.

The editor is great, im not focusing on that, but like a good salad, if you leave out the tomato's, cheese, and lettuce, it's pretty bare.

Captcav

Dr.Sid · 03-05-07, 05:16 PM

Several free fan-project are in progress in this area. Hopefully some will make it to usable state. If you want to have community content, you can't rely on commercial companies.

Rip · 03-05-07, 06:42 PM

This is why they should have never added non-submersable playables. Now we have to listen to the graphics whores complain. I'd be perfectly happy if you couldn't even see the targets except through the scope.

I don't need any new skins for the sonar stack!

You want graphics, play Silent Hunter. (Which is also an awesome game)

fatty · 03-05-07, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captcav

Well yeah, i guess, but im looking at other flexible platforms such as VS7, which! let me make this clear! in no way have the functionality of DW, in mission editors, or anything else, but allows its community to contribute in the way of creativity, and expanded usability above, and below the surface.

Have a look a fs9, was a huge hit, purely based on the ability to add-on, using standard templates, and high detailed models, they made it into a cult. I for one would love to see the DW community expand, but I think the restrictions imposed dont allow for such expansion.

Sure id love play every ship for every country, but thats not possible, what i was originally trying to get across is the fact that sub-surface gameplay is focused on alot more than above, meaning, one surface ship, the FFG, which is great, and does it's job, but the need is there for DDG, or CG, on both sides.

The editor is great, im not focusing on that, but like a good salad, if you leave out the tomato's, cheese, and lettuce, it's pretty bare.

Captcav

Captcav, I have to admit that I agree with a few of your points.

I do feel left out in the cold by a lack of support, namely the clampdown on mods and some weird issues that still plague me (why does the game disable my 5.1 surround sound?). The dated graphics don't help either; you may all say what you will but IMHO they detract from the immersion factor.

But truthfully we exist in the epitome of a niche market, and as DW was not destined to be a real cash cow, we have to make due with what we have been given. Despite my above gripes I still play and love DW. Multiplayer is especially a riot. I would agree about the stale platforms but recently I have been playing with all autocrew disabled which seems to have opened up a whole new barrel of monkeys. LWAMI is great fun too.

To borrow from Churchill, Dangerous Waters is the worst naval sim we have, except for all the others.

And there are currently none.

captcav · 03-06-07, 06:40 AM

well fat has made the most sense so far! couple fo good points:

*will never be a cash cow
*Is a niche market
*Too many restrictions

Not to always be negative, there are too many good points to list in one post! but! lets go through it together, everyone holds hands now and repeat after me.

"THIS GAME WILL NEVER BE A CASH COW"

right good, see that feels better! so given this fact, why on gods green earth would we be waiting for expansion? does that exist? hmm not sure! but they are not going to make money on it.

Rule of sales 101! word of mouth gets you everywhere! without added interest from the public, this game really is confined to these walls, and nowhere beyond! so, step 1! yes, create models that are accurate, and worthy of being put into the game, run a poll as to what vessels should be included, subs as well, and this will give you an indication of the publics voice.

Right said fred, what other smaller elements can be introduced to increase the games profile? hmmm, a true sim, being able to take it from concept ( mission editor) through to completion is a game we all seek, but have still to find. Finer details of a game with models that are slightly out of date is bareable, ie: what about being able to moore, or anchor the vessel? hmmm theres a thought! ahh yes i hear you sigh! small as it maybe, people look for this realism!

on and on and on we go, down the list. But i ask you, for all the die-hard DW fans that say the game is great as it is, and doesn't need any additions, run a poll! lets see the gamers speak, and ask them this, is the game satasfactory in its current state? YES/NO to answer, im thinking this will give you a very clear indication as to what needs to happen next.

Lets all keep in mind, common sense isn't that common.

Captcav

03-04-07, 03:21 AM	#1
captcav Loader Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 83 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Yearly Bitch! Ah, so the time has come around for my yearly bitch on DW, the greatest of naval sims that hasn't lived up to it potiental. Well another year has rolled by and I see some patches have been relased, but nothing actually has changed in the game? must take my hat off to the boys for their updated skins on the subs, but the above surface action still remains to be sub-standard, boring, comical crap! Still we have the single rail ffg plottting along doing the same thing with its lack of attack ability, no new ships have been added, no new features that would draw me back to the game, in one word, STALE! Yeah yeah bitch on i hear ya say, we so we bloody well should, what a game this could be if it weren't for the 2d narrowed vision of the devlopers. Did they honestly in all seriousness think we wouldnt' get bored in about 2 weeks if we werent able to make additions to the games? what a flop! you've cut your own throats! and will continue to do so unless you allow these talented modders to add to the game! Well must be off now, had my bitch, hope some poeple get their asses kicked for this appaling lack of additions to the game, its outrageous, and your surface still are coming second best to a 97' Janes Naval sim! have a think about that! Chow. Captcav

03-04-07, 03:51 AM	#2
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Maybe you are playing the demo? :hmm: __________________ LW

03-04-07, 05:09 AM	#3
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	And your point is? Well hopefully you will stay away for another year. __________________

03-04-07, 06:59 AM	#4
DivingWind Engineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lithuania Posts: 211 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Walk the plank, Captcav! __________________

03-05-07, 03:23 PM	#10
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think he is waiting for Fleet COmmand on top of the DW engine. That is my take. I'd love to take out a Ticonderoga or something! -S __________________

03-04-07, 07:56 PM	#6
captcav Loader Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 83 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	ahh good to see its the same people responding. Look, this game has alot to give, and yeah, i used to get deeply involved in the board stroke of the game play, but, i think everyone deep down would agree that it is way way way overtime for a re-fit, and some additions. I think the game is great, but it's not realised! cause there has been a cap put on it for some stupid reason that doesn't unlock the full potiental of the game is all. but, hey, we all live in hope. Captcav

03-04-07, 09:54 PM	#7
udadni Watch Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The full potential of this game lies in the ability to create exciting new scenarios, which the fine folks at SCS gave us with their omnipotent mission editor. Yeah, it's a bummer that we can't drive every boat to have sailed under the 7 seas, but with the 7 platforms we have, there is still lots of exploration to do! I think we should be bloody grateful that SCS has continued to support and patch the game upto this point, espicially with the grumpy folk that plague and nag on these forums.

03-05-07, 12:41 AM	#8
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Yeah!!! Do we have to read that bitchin' again in a years time:rotfl:

03-05-07, 06:05 AM	#9
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	This game really sux. But hell why do I mind so much ? Why do I play it so much ? It just sux in a really nice way ! Ok ok .. I just mean .. there is no law of nature (or God or whatever) which would imply that games must be perfect. So they are not. You don't like it ? Don't play it. Whining does not help. For sure not here, for sure not now (when DW is more or less closed). But I understand you in a way .. we all see the potential.

03-05-07, 04:02 PM	#11
captcav Loader Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 83 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Well yeah, i guess, but im looking at other flexible platforms such as VS7, which! let me make this clear! in no way have the functionality of DW, in mission editors, or anything else, but allows its community to contribute in the way of creativity, and expanded usability above, and below the surface. Have a look a fs9, was a huge hit, purely based on the ability to add-on, using standard templates, and high detailed models, they made it into a cult. I for one would love to see the DW community expand, but I think the restrictions imposed dont allow for such expansion. Sure id love play every ship for every country, but thats not possible, what i was originally trying to get across is the fact that sub-surface gameplay is focused on alot more than above, meaning, one surface ship, the FFG, which is great, and does it's job, but the need is there for DDG, or CG, on both sides. The editor is great, im not focusing on that, but like a good salad, if you leave out the tomato's, cheese, and lettuce, it's pretty bare. Captcav

03-05-07, 05:16 PM	#12
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Several free fan-project are in progress in this area. Hopefully some will make it to usable state. If you want to have community content, you can't rely on commercial companies.

03-05-07, 06:42 PM	#13
Rip Commodore Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Right behind you! Posts: 643 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	This is why they should have never added non-submersable playables. Now we have to listen to the graphics whores complain. I'd be perfectly happy if you couldn't even see the targets except through the scope. I don't need any new skins for the sonar stack! You want graphics, play Silent Hunter. (Which is also an awesome game)

03-06-07, 06:40 AM	#15
captcav Loader Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 83 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	well fat has made the most sense so far! couple fo good points: will never be a cash cow Is a niche market *Too many restrictions Not to always be negative, there are too many good points to list in one post! but! lets go through it together, everyone holds hands now and repeat after me. "THIS GAME WILL NEVER BE A CASH COW" right good, see that feels better! so given this fact, why on gods green earth would we be waiting for expansion? does that exist? hmm not sure! but they are not going to make money on it. Rule of sales 101! word of mouth gets you everywhere! without added interest from the public, this game really is confined to these walls, and nowhere beyond! so, step 1! yes, create models that are accurate, and worthy of being put into the game, run a poll as to what vessels should be included, subs as well, and this will give you an indication of the publics voice. Right said fred, what other smaller elements can be introduced to increase the games profile? hmmm, a true sim, being able to take it from concept ( mission editor) through to completion is a game we all seek, but have still to find. Finer details of a game with models that are slightly out of date is bareable, ie: what about being able to moore, or anchor the vessel? hmmm theres a thought! ahh yes i hear you sigh! small as it maybe, people look for this realism! on and on and on we go, down the list. But i ask you, for all the die-hard DW fans that say the game is great as it is, and doesn't need any additions, run a poll! lets see the gamers speak, and ask them this, is the game satasfactory in its current state? YES/NO to answer, im thinking this will give you a very clear indication as to what needs to happen next. Lets all keep in mind, common sense isn't that common. Captcav