Ralph Nader for President

03-02-07, 06:40 PM

This man needs to run for president.

ASWnut101 · 03-02-07, 06:43 PM

I'll pass on that vote.

Should I ask the question?

The Avon Lady · 03-03-07, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

This man needs to run for president.

Have you been invaded by the body snatchers? :hmm:

joea · 03-03-07, 01:04 PM

Why is the U.S. so set on a two party system? Mind I'm not saying I think Nader is a good alternative.

August · 03-03-07, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

Why is the U.S. so set on a two party system? Mind I'm not saying I think Nader is a good alternative.

We don't have a two party system Joe. There are many political parties in the US all able to get their candidates on the ballot, it's just that only two of them have enough public support to win national elections. Third parties have affected which one them will win however.

SUBMAN1 · 03-03-07, 01:34 PM

Our founding fathers never inteded to only have two parties. You may think that more parties are present, but there is no chance of them winning. We need the occasional 3rd party to upset the agenda of the two main parties though. I don't like Nader much however.

I wish Ross Peroe could upset a think or two.

-S

August · 03-03-07, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

... but there is no chance of them winning.

Their chances of winning is based completely on their public support, not constitutional law.

SUBMAN1 · 03-03-07, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

... but there is no chance of them winning.

Their chances of winning is based completely on their public support, not constitutional law.

True, but one could argue about how public support is being manipulated.

-S

dean_acheson · 03-03-07, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

Why is the U.S. so set on a two party system? Mind I'm not saying I think Nader is a good alternative.

two observations:

1. Italy.

2. It's a free market, anyone can start their own party.

Shaffer4 · 03-03-07, 05:35 PM

Um... Nader.. as I recall has run in atleast the past three presidential elections...

As far has him for President?.... Hell no... Corvair Forever!!!!

Nader is the one that is Un-safe at any speed ..:rotfl:

03-03-07, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

Why is the U.S. so set on a two party system? Mind I'm not saying I think Nader is a good alternative.

This link will take you to a list of political parties in the US. More than you probably thought.

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

CCIP · 03-03-07, 06:31 PM

Existence of other parties doesn't really make it a multi-party system. The US system is by and large set up to be a two-party system and it works as such; a comparison/contrast would be Canada which is also technially set up as a two-party system but has not worked as such for many years, ironically enough.

As far as free market - indeed! Consider who holds the power: the ones with the fat party coffers. Anyone can run a party, except noone but two can actually afford to, and the system will skew results towards them and inherently disfavour anything outside of them. Net result: people off the edge of the two parties (like myself) - however many of them there may be (and often these are substantial minorities) - end up completely unrepresented in government, and disillusiond with the system as such. Democracy at its finest

03-03-07, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Existence of other parties doesn't really make it a multi-party system. The US system is by and large set up to be a two-party system and it works as such; a comparison/contrast would be Canada which is also technially set up as a two-party system but has not worked as such for many years, ironically enough.

As far as free market - indeed! Consider who holds the power: the ones with the fat party coffers. Anyone can run a party, except noone but two can actually afford to, and the system will skew results towards them and inherently disfavour anything outside of them. Net result: people off the edge of the two parties (like myself) - however many of them there may be (and often these are substantial minorities) - end up completely unrepresented in government, and disillusiond with the system as such. Democracy at its finest

During the conventions, which choose the candidate who will run under the respective party banner, a platform is established. Delegates to these conventions come with influences from other parties w/in the US. Some of the delegates are to use a term extremists, others are moderate. Together they draw up the platform. It is during this process, that the negotiation and alliances which are seen in parlimentary systems, takes place.

When looking at the platforms yuo can see the results of these negotiations and alliances. Although it may not appear evident even the smaller, less well funded political entities get a say in the process.

Attached you will find the platforms from 2004.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2004_GOP_Platform.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Dem_Platform_2004.htm

Chaotic42 · 03-03-07, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

... but there is no chance of them winning.

Their chances of winning is based completely on their public support, not constitutional law.

True, but one could argue about how public support is being manipulated.

-S

When it's all said and done, each person must make his or her own decision. If someone is stupid enough to vote for who they're told to vote for, they deserve whatever happens to them.

joea · 03-03-07, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson

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Originally Posted by joea

Why is the U.S. so set on a two party system? Mind I'm not saying I think Nader is a good alternative.

two observations:

1. Italy.

2. It's a free market, anyone can start their own party.

Oh wow Dean, I didn't endorse the other extreme!

I would not wish the Italian system on y'all! Now as for the free market bit sure, but as was pointed out you need the big bucks to get heard.

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Our founding fathers never inteded to only have two parties. You may think that more parties are present, but there is no chance of them winning. We need the occasional 3rd party to upset the agenda of the two main parties though. I don't like Nader much however. I wish Ross Peroe could upset a think or two. -S __________________

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Shaffer4 Ensign Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Walla Walla, Wa Posts: 223 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Um... Nader.. as I recall has run in atleast the past three presidential elections... As far has him for President?.... Hell no... Corvair Forever!!!! Nader is the one that is Un-safe at any speed ..:rotfl: __________________

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Existence of other parties doesn't really make it a multi-party system. The US system is by and large set up to be a two-party system and it works as such; a comparison/contrast would be Canada which is also technially set up as a two-party system but has not worked as such for many years, ironically enough. As far as free market - indeed! Consider who holds the power: the ones with the fat party coffers. Anyone can run a party, except noone but two can actually afford to, and the system will skew results towards them and inherently disfavour anything outside of them. Net result: people off the edge of the two parties (like myself) - however many of them there may be (and often these are substantial minorities) - end up completely unrepresented in government, and disillusiond with the system as such. Democracy at its finest __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Why is the U.S. so set on a two party system? Mind I'm not saying I think Nader is a good alternative.