Finding out about Vista - the hard way.

Skybird · 03-02-07, 05:47 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6407419.stm

Minefield ahead, recommend to stay clear of it, captains.

Respenus · 03-02-07, 05:58 AM

That's why I'll never upgrade. I'll just go to Linux and use VMWare for Windows games.

HunterICX · 03-02-07, 06:03 AM

:hmm: then I wonder
is Vista a UPGRADE or a DOWNGRADE
it seems that Vista supports as much as if you install windows 98 on ur newer computer

SteveW1 · 03-02-07, 06:10 AM

Geez this guy got lucky with 3 1/2 hour install, My dad installed vista on his computer and it took over 7 hours.

The Avon Lady · 03-02-07, 06:15 AM

I had guessed that the SB Live would be the HW causing the error messages. No one should own one in this day and age.

As said on the other Vista threads we already have here, I'll just wait till they release SP1 or 2.

Skybird · 03-02-07, 06:27 AM

I plan to jump Vista completely, if only my machine lives long enough. New systems today will come with Vista. I want neither the one, nor the other.

The Avon Lady · 03-02-07, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

I plan to jump Vista completely, if only my machine lives long enough. New systems today will come with Vista. I want neither the one, nor the other.

Murphy will get you!

GSpector · 03-02-07, 06:37 AM

I'm glad I build and upgrade my own PC's

. I don't have to worry about any pre-installed anything

fumblyoldcarpenter · 03-02-07, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSpector

I'm glad I build and upgrade my own PC's

. I don't have to worry about any pre-installed anything

This one

Pre-install

kiwi_2005 · 03-02-07, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveW1

Geez this guy got lucky with 3 1/2 hour install, My dad installed vista on his computer and it took over 7 hours.

Ive read those upgrading from XP to Vista had no problems than those trying to install Vista on a clean reformatted drive, as alot of the drivers from XP Vista will just update from that, yet without xp HW drivers, Vista starts having problems. So this time round upgrading is a good thing... If u have old hardware.

But VISTA is cheap as in CHEAP.
VISTA BASIC Under $200 ?
VISTA PREMIUM $200
VISTA BUSSINESS $245
VISTA ULTIMATE $400

Premium is my choice

jumpy · 03-02-07, 10:46 AM

Interesting article. I cannot say I am supprised

...not in the least incy-wincy-bit supprised.

Having paid for a full copy of Windows XP PRO about 18 months ago for the princely sum of the better part of £320.00 I will not be upgrading to Vista any time soon.
It is the same where I work- no-one is willing to sacrifice getting their job done with tried and tested software that is relatively reliable (XP PRO) as compared to Vista as an unknown, untested quantity.
I have a relatively new PC at home - dual core cpu, 2gb RAM and an up to date graphics card with 512mb of memory, so in theory I should have no trouble running Vista.
However, there appears to be a trend in the world of computers whereby newly released software is just not 'finished' properly.
As with many games these days, software is released to the public as a final version ready for retail. The reality is somewhat different with the paying customer being suckered in as an unknowing 'beta-tester' for the developers/publishers of the new software, hunting out bugs and errors and compatibility issues in the programs by trial and infuriating error, to be fixed eventually by a service pack or 'patch' in another 6-12 months time.

You wouldn't buy a new car and expect it to not work the first time you turned the ignition key, so why should computer software/operating systems be any different?

Consumers are starting to wake up to this economic chicanery on the part of companies like Microsoft who release unfinished software with the aim to make as much profit as soon as possible. It will be to these companies detriment to ignore the increasingly loud cries of frustration from users who have paid for a product that doesn't work when all indicators are that it should perform flawlessly.
Perhaps as more people gain experience of computers then they will begin to ignore the marketing tat encouraging them to buy the 'latest thing' thereby forcing the creators of these so-called innovations to think long and hard before releasing a product as 'finished'.

"You can either have it done right or right now..." the choice seems obvious to me.

...too many words for the beeb to allow as a comment

GSpector · 03-02-07, 03:50 PM

Upgrading from XP may have it's advantages but if you ever have to Format & Reload VI$TA, make sure you re-install XP 1st.

Unlike previous versions, just putting in the prior OS disk will no longer work.

Simply put, if you get the upgrade version, DO NOT LOSE THE XP CD.

XabbaRus · 03-02-07, 06:27 PM

It seems many of the problems stem form 3rd party companies not updating drivers to be Vista ready. I find this daft since surely these people knew the launch date before we did and had a team of programmers working on new drivers so people could use their old peripherals.

I have seen a few posts in various places caliming it is a setup by MS to force people to use certain hardware from certain manufacturers.

Maybe they though that it wouldn't be necessary since 98 to XP seemed to work.

I'll wait till I get a new PC before I get Vista.

kiwi_2005 · 03-02-07, 09:08 PM

Heres the latest Vista Transformation Pk v6 for WinXP users, which im Downloading and will install, if im not around next few days then it wasted my XP. But i can say from my experince this is safe as. Ive had Transformation pk on my PC for the last yr or more without any major problems.

read about it - http://www.windowsxlive.net/?p=361
Download - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ion-Pack.shtml

The latest version looks nice!

GSpector · 03-02-07, 09:24 PM

Ok, this looks good but what does it do for PC performance?

Now if this emulator would allow for DX10 games and Graphic Cards, I'd be reall happy.

I guess if I should decided to upgrade the look of my system to VI$TA, this is the way to do it with out actually installing VI$TA.

03-02-07, 05:47 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,616 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Finding out about Vista - the hard way. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6407419.stm Minefield ahead, recommend to stay clear of it, captains. Last edited by Skybird; 03-02-07 at 08:27 AM.

03-02-07, 05:58 AM	#2
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's why I'll never upgrade. I'll just go to Linux and use VMWare for Windows games. __________________

03-02-07, 06:03 AM	#3
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	:hmm: then I wonder is Vista a UPGRADE or a DOWNGRADE it seems that Vista supports as much as if you install windows 98 on ur newer computer __________________

03-02-07, 06:10 AM	#4
SteveW1 Watch Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 331 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Geez this guy got lucky with 3 1/2 hour install, My dad installed vista on his computer and it took over 7 hours. __________________

03-02-07, 06:15 AM	#5
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I had guessed that the SB Live would be the HW causing the error messages. No one should own one in this day and age. As said on the other Vista threads we already have here, I'll just wait till they release SP1 or 2. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

03-02-07, 06:27 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,616 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I plan to jump Vista completely, if only my machine lives long enough. New systems today will come with Vista. I want neither the one, nor the other.

03-02-07, 06:37 AM	#8
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I'm glad I build and upgrade my own PC's . I don't have to worry about any pre-installed anything __________________ Specter

03-02-07, 10:46 AM	#11
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Interesting article. I cannot say I am supprised ...not in the least incy-wincy-bit supprised. Having paid for a full copy of Windows XP PRO about 18 months ago for the princely sum of the better part of £320.00 I will not be upgrading to Vista any time soon. It is the same where I work- no-one is willing to sacrifice getting their job done with tried and tested software that is relatively reliable (XP PRO) as compared to Vista as an unknown, untested quantity. I have a relatively new PC at home - dual core cpu, 2gb RAM and an up to date graphics card with 512mb of memory, so in theory I should have no trouble running Vista. However, there appears to be a trend in the world of computers whereby newly released software is just not 'finished' properly. As with many games these days, software is released to the public as a final version ready for retail. The reality is somewhat different with the paying customer being suckered in as an unknowing 'beta-tester' for the developers/publishers of the new software, hunting out bugs and errors and compatibility issues in the programs by trial and infuriating error, to be fixed eventually by a service pack or 'patch' in another 6-12 months time. You wouldn't buy a new car and expect it to not work the first time you turned the ignition key, so why should computer software/operating systems be any different? Consumers are starting to wake up to this economic chicanery on the part of companies like Microsoft who release unfinished software with the aim to make as much profit as soon as possible. It will be to these companies detriment to ignore the increasingly loud cries of frustration from users who have paid for a product that doesn't work when all indicators are that it should perform flawlessly. Perhaps as more people gain experience of computers then they will begin to ignore the marketing tat encouraging them to buy the 'latest thing' thereby forcing the creators of these so-called innovations to think long and hard before releasing a product as 'finished'. "You can either have it done right or right now..." the choice seems obvious to me. ...too many words for the beeb to allow as a comment __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

03-02-07, 03:50 PM	#12
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Upgrading from XP may have it's advantages but if you ever have to Format & Reload VI$TA, make sure you re-install XP 1st. Unlike previous versions, just putting in the prior OS disk will no longer work. Simply put, if you get the upgrade version, DO NOT LOSE THE XP CD. __________________ Specter

03-02-07, 06:27 PM	#13
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It seems many of the problems stem form 3rd party companies not updating drivers to be Vista ready. I find this daft since surely these people knew the launch date before we did and had a team of programmers working on new drivers so people could use their old peripherals. I have seen a few posts in various places caliming it is a setup by MS to force people to use certain hardware from certain manufacturers. Maybe they though that it wouldn't be necessary since 98 to XP seemed to work. I'll wait till I get a new PC before I get Vista. __________________

03-02-07, 09:08 PM	#14
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Heres the latest Vista Transformation Pk v6 for WinXP users, which im Downloading and will install, if im not around next few days then it wasted my XP. But i can say from my experince this is safe as. Ive had Transformation pk on my PC for the last yr or more without any major problems. read about it - http://www.windowsxlive.net/?p=361 Download - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ion-Pack.shtml The latest version looks nice! __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

03-02-07, 09:24 PM	#15
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Ok, this looks good but what does it do for PC performance? Now if this emulator would allow for DX10 games and Graphic Cards, I'd be reall happy. I guess if I should decided to upgrade the look of my system to VI$TA, this is the way to do it with out actually installing VI$TA. __________________ Specter