Terrorists in Iraq start using Chemical weapons

TteFAboB · 02-23-07, 03:31 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Lovely. Almost beats blowing up a school full of children.

geetrue · 02-23-07, 03:35 PM

The news said they did it twice now, two days in a row ... not good, boy those people hate each other.

Sounds like a civil war to me, didn't America have Baptist on both sides too? (no smiley)

ASWnut101 · 02-23-07, 03:36 PM

I just got done reading this in my local newspaper. I wonder where these weapons originated from?

August · 02-23-07, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

I just got done reading this in my local newspaper. I wonder where these weapons originated from?

Chlorine gas is pretty easy to make.

ASWnut101 · 02-23-07, 03:52 PM

I meant what country. But if it's CN Gas, I guess that's homemade.

August · 02-23-07, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

I meant what country. But if it's CN Gas, I guess that's homemade.

I believe chlorine gas was first used as a weapon in WW1 by the Germans. CN is a form of tear gas.

U-533 · 02-23-07, 04:20 PM

They got Clorox liquid bleach over there or some from of it don't they?

All you got to do is Atomize it, and an explosion would do nicely.

Now all they got to do is add a little Ammonia.............

geetrue · 02-23-07, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by U-533

They got Clorox liquid bleach over there or some from of it don't they?

All you got to do is Atomize it, and an explosion would do nicely.

Now all they got to do is add a little Ammonia.............

Just great! Now the NSA's going to flag this thread and were all going to get in trouble ...

U-533 · 02-23-07, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

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Originally Posted by U-533

They got Clorox liquid bleach over there or some from of it don't they?

All you got to do is Atomize it, and an explosion would do nicely.

Now all they got to do is add a little Ammonia.............

Just great! Now the NSA's going to flag this thread and were all going to get in trouble ...

No problem... I'll just plead insanity.... Cuz I'm just crazy about that stuff...:rotfl:

Wim Libaers · 02-23-07, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by U-533

They got Clorox liquid bleach over there or some from of it don't they?

All you got to do is Atomize it, and an explosion would do nicely.

Now all they got to do is add a little Ammonia.............

1. According to the article, they're using gas canisters, not gas generators. It's a common industrial gas, so if they have a source in the chemical industry it should be easy to get.

2. A good way to make chlorine gas is to add hydrochloric acid to bleach. Not ammonia (also nasty, but in a different way).

ASWnut101 · 02-23-07, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

I meant what country. But if it's CN Gas, I guess that's homemade.

I believe chlorine gas was first used as a weapon in WW1 by the Germans. CN is a form of tear gas.

Isn't that CS?

P.S. I got it counfused with CG gas. Oops.

baggygreen · 02-23-07, 10:32 PM

I wanna CP my CD to CU

:rotfl:

Its gettin bloody nasty... trial releases perhaps, to assess the spread of the gas and get an idea of casualty rates??:hmm:

Letum · 02-23-07, 10:57 PM

All you need for chlorine gas is salt water and a electrical socket or battery. Stick the terminals into the salt water and chlorine will quickly start bubbling up.
Then you just have to pump it into a air compressor after separating the hydrogen.

Chlorine reacts with water in your lungs and eyes to form hydrochloric acid which burns the lung lining causing bleeding in the lungs. Heavy exposure will cause the lungs to fill with liquid and the victim drowns.
Chlorine is most effective as a weapon in a dry, enclosed environment with little wind.

Chlorine was used in both world wars, but mainly the first. It was quickly abandoned in favor of more effective gases.

It is not very deadly compared to more advanced chemical weapons, but can cause blindness and breathing problems.

You would need a lot of chlorine to cause more than a few deaths in a urban area.
*edit* By "a lot" I mean more than quarter of a ton of gas.

When the Germans used over 150tonnes of chlorine there where only ~150 deaths. Obviously the death rate would be somwhat higher in a urban setting.

It's easy to defend against chlorine, just cover your mouth with a wet cloth and the chlorine forms acid on the cloth and not in your lungs.

You can see and smell chlorine. This alone can make it an effective terror weapon.

geetrue · 02-23-07, 11:19 PM

Also spreads fear ... mark the calendar as the end of February year 2007 and hope this terrorism tactic doesn't spread to our home countries. Like the bird flu has gone from China to England. I know the two are different, but they both just keep spreading.

To do this, someone had to sit in a den or living room and think it up and then talk it up and then put the ingreidants together, drive to the designated area and let it happen. Then read about it or watch it on T.V. and have a wicked inner smile.

3Jane · 02-24-07, 06:58 AM

Chemical weapons, hmmm. Sounds a little like white phosporus in shake n bake attacks. Or was that for illumination. In broad daylight, surely not.

02-23-07, 03:31 PM	#1
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Terrorists in Iraq start using Chemical weapons http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq Lovely. Almost beats blowing up a school full of children. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

02-23-07, 03:35 PM	#2
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The news said they did it twice now, two days in a row ... not good, boy those people hate each other. Sounds like a civil war to me, didn't America have Baptist on both sides too? (no smiley) __________________

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ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I just got done reading this in my local newspaper. I wonder where these weapons originated from? __________________

02-23-07, 03:52 PM	#5
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I meant what country. But if it's CN Gas, I guess that's homemade. __________________

02-23-07, 10:57 PM	#13
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	All you need for chlorine gas is salt water and a electrical socket or battery. Stick the terminals into the salt water and chlorine will quickly start bubbling up. Then you just have to pump it into a air compressor after separating the hydrogen. Chlorine reacts with water in your lungs and eyes to form hydrochloric acid which burns the lung lining causing bleeding in the lungs. Heavy exposure will cause the lungs to fill with liquid and the victim drowns. Chlorine is most effective as a weapon in a dry, enclosed environment with little wind. Chlorine was used in both world wars, but mainly the first. It was quickly abandoned in favor of more effective gases. It is not very deadly compared to more advanced chemical weapons, but can cause blindness and breathing problems. You would need a lot of chlorine to cause more than a few deaths in a urban area. edit By "a lot" I mean more than quarter of a ton of gas. When the Germans used over 150tonnes of chlorine there where only ~150 deaths. Obviously the death rate would be somwhat higher in a urban setting. It's easy to defend against chlorine, just cover your mouth with a wet cloth and the chlorine forms acid on the cloth and not in your lungs. You can see and smell chlorine. This alone can make it an effective terror weapon. __________________ Last edited by Letum; 02-23-07 at 11:09 PM.

02-23-07, 04:20 PM	#7
U-533 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On my Boat Posts: 594 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They got Clorox liquid bleach over there or some from of it don't they? All you got to do is Atomize it, and an explosion would do nicely. Now all they got to do is add a little Ammonia.............

02-23-07, 10:32 PM	#12
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I wanna CP my CD to CU :rotfl: Its gettin bloody nasty... trial releases perhaps, to assess the spread of the gas and get an idea of casualty rates??:hmm:

02-23-07, 11:19 PM	#14
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Also spreads fear ... mark the calendar as the end of February year 2007 and hope this terrorism tactic doesn't spread to our home countries. Like the bird flu has gone from China to England. I know the two are different, but they both just keep spreading. To do this, someone had to sit in a den or living room and think it up and then talk it up and then put the ingreidants together, drive to the designated area and let it happen. Then read about it or watch it on T.V. and have a wicked inner smile. __________________

02-24-07, 06:58 AM	#15
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Chemical weapons, hmmm. Sounds a little like white phosporus in shake n bake attacks. Or was that for illumination. In broad daylight, surely not. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)