Destroyers sink themelves, RFB

KpnKardif · 03-28-11, 04:09 AM

Ahoy, captains! I've been searching these forums for an answer to this for a while now, but haven't been able to come up with much in the way of a fix. Here's my problem:

Notice how low in the water they're riding? Yeah, not my doing. These two guys were escorting a couple of troop transports about 500 miles south of Honshu, along with three other DD's. I was feeling brave and still had some eels left, and I spotted them early enough to set up a decent shot. Put two into the lead transport and dove to 300 feet at flank speed, aiming to pass underneath the ship I had just disabled. One of the escorts managed to get one depth charge run on me before I got under the transport. He got close, but not enough to do any damage. After this is when things get weird. I went ahead 1/3 and silent running when I approached the dying transport, and it seems that the escorts lost me as I passed underneath. So rather than search, they just seem to pick a spot and start dropping charges where they think I might be, which was nowhere even close. They also must have been either going quite slow or setting them at very shallow depths, thus sinking themselves.

If this were the only time this happened, I wouldn't be posting. This sort of thing seems to happen with every convoy I encounter. I'll line up a shot and dive, I get a couple hits, the escorts come looking for me, drop charges nowhere near my current location, and end up doing themselves in. If this happened occasionally, I'd be ok with it. It shouldn't be every escort I encounter, though. Are there any mods out there that can do something about it? I've been playing RFB, does TMO have the same problem? I love this game, but this is killing my immersion.

Bilge_Rat · 03-28-11, 09:46 AM

I have had that issue in RFB 2 as well, but extremely unfrequently and it seems hard to reproduce. I happened on one mission, IJN DDs blowing themselves up with shallow DCs, but when I replayed the same mission again, everything was back to normal.

By captain_joch at 2010-05-02

TorpX · 03-28-11, 12:20 PM

@KpnKardif

I have not had your problem with RFB, but some time ago I found I could not dive my boat in less than 5 min. (you can imagine how much fun that was). I DL'd another copy of RFB and installed that. No more problem. I would try this before attempting more difficult remedies. Good luck.

KpnKardif · 03-29-11, 01:46 AM

Thanks for the tips, guys. I have the latest version of RFB with the patch, so unless a new version was released in the last month or so...

I do have a habit of saving my game the minute I spot a convoy, maybe this is what's causing the problems. I knew this would cause issues in SH3, didn't know it affected 4 though. Guess I'll have to try doing it the way a real skipper would... no do-overs! If that fails, I'll remove RFB while in port and try re-installing it.

Stoli151 · 03-29-11, 01:19 PM

Also try running Rsrdc for rfb plus the latest patch. RFB seems not to be designed to run with the stock campaign it runs way better with Rsrdc. As for the latest patch for RFB if it was an April patch that's the latest I know of. I think the RFB team kinda lost interest with developing the mod any further so unless they change their minds or somebody else takes it up I think that's it for patches. I like the RFB mod and would like to see it go farther, doesn't seem like it's likely however.

KpnKardif · 03-30-11, 01:55 AM

A little more weirdness for your oogling pleasure:

This is from the same mission I was on when I sunk the transport and then watched the DD's sink themselves, a RL day later as I wasn't able to make it back to harbor before I decided to go to bed. Next day I'm trying to get back home when I run across this! This is the exact same type of transport I sunk earlier in the mission. This line is completely single file and stretches as far as the eye can see, total of 25 ships. Even weirder, I was only able to lock onto the one at the front of the line. The rest were like ghosts, couldn't lock on em with the scope. Ghosts of ships I've sunk coming back to haunt me?

I haven't tried RSRDC, I'll give it a shot. I'm going to finish this mission and see if any more strange occurrences come about in my next mission, then probably try rsrdc.

03-28-11, 04:09 AM	#1
KpnKardif Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	Destroyers sink themelves, RFB Ahoy, captains! I've been searching these forums for an answer to this for a while now, but haven't been able to come up with much in the way of a fix. Here's my problem: Notice how low in the water they're riding? Yeah, not my doing. These two guys were escorting a couple of troop transports about 500 miles south of Honshu, along with three other DD's. I was feeling brave and still had some eels left, and I spotted them early enough to set up a decent shot. Put two into the lead transport and dove to 300 feet at flank speed, aiming to pass underneath the ship I had just disabled. One of the escorts managed to get one depth charge run on me before I got under the transport. He got close, but not enough to do any damage. After this is when things get weird. I went ahead 1/3 and silent running when I approached the dying transport, and it seems that the escorts lost me as I passed underneath. So rather than search, they just seem to pick a spot and start dropping charges where they think I might be, which was nowhere even close. They also must have been either going quite slow or setting them at very shallow depths, thus sinking themselves. If this were the only time this happened, I wouldn't be posting. This sort of thing seems to happen with every convoy I encounter. I'll line up a shot and dive, I get a couple hits, the escorts come looking for me, drop charges nowhere near my current location, and end up doing themselves in. If this happened occasionally, I'd be ok with it. It shouldn't be every escort I encounter, though. Are there any mods out there that can do something about it? I've been playing RFB, does TMO have the same problem? I love this game, but this is killing my immersion.

03-28-11, 09:46 AM	#2
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I have had that issue in RFB 2 as well, but extremely unfrequently and it seems hard to reproduce. I happened on one mission, IJN DDs blowing themselves up with shallow DCs, but when I replayed the same mission again, everything was back to normal. By captain_joch at 2010-05-02 __________________

03-28-11, 12:20 PM	#3
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	@KpnKardif I have not had your problem with RFB, but some time ago I found I could not dive my boat in less than 5 min. (you can imagine how much fun that was). I DL'd another copy of RFB and installed that. No more problem. I would try this before attempting more difficult remedies. Good luck.

03-29-11, 01:46 AM	#4
KpnKardif Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the tips, guys. I have the latest version of RFB with the patch, so unless a new version was released in the last month or so... I do have a habit of saving my game the minute I spot a convoy, maybe this is what's causing the problems. I knew this would cause issues in SH3, didn't know it affected 4 though. Guess I'll have to try doing it the way a real skipper would... no do-overs! If that fails, I'll remove RFB while in port and try re-installing it.

03-29-11, 01:19 PM	#5
Stoli151 Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: underwater Posts: 107 Downloads: 333 Uploads: 0	Also try running Rsrdc for rfb plus the latest patch. RFB seems not to be designed to run with the stock campaign it runs way better with Rsrdc. As for the latest patch for RFB if it was an April patch that's the latest I know of. I think the RFB team kinda lost interest with developing the mod any further so unless they change their minds or somebody else takes it up I think that's it for patches. I like the RFB mod and would like to see it go farther, doesn't seem like it's likely however.

03-30-11, 01:55 AM	#6
KpnKardif Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	A little more weirdness for your oogling pleasure: This is from the same mission I was on when I sunk the transport and then watched the DD's sink themselves, a RL day later as I wasn't able to make it back to harbor before I decided to go to bed. Next day I'm trying to get back home when I run across this! This is the exact same type of transport I sunk earlier in the mission. This line is completely single file and stretches as far as the eye can see, total of 25 ships. Even weirder, I was only able to lock onto the one at the front of the line. The rest were like ghosts, couldn't lock on em with the scope. Ghosts of ships I've sunk coming back to haunt me? I haven't tried RSRDC, I'll give it a shot. I'm going to finish this mission and see if any more strange occurrences come about in my next mission, then probably try rsrdc.