First since RSR

[Freddie_123]

Wow -

What can I say?? It's probably been 20 years since my very first PC game - Red Storm Rising - a sub simulation. I guess it makes me feel old to know how many years have past - and how much MONEY I've spent on computer games. Microprose published (wrote?) RSR - then went on to create some of my other all-time favorites - F19, Gunship, and the tank game (?) Tank Platoon. Jesus guys - if I could tell you the facination of F19 and the hours spent taking out SAM sites over perfectly trianular mountains!!!

And back to Sub sims - RSR. What a great game - the silly cutscenes, the "text only" interface! Oddly enough - not much has changed from the map view that is in Silent Hunter 3. Gridlines and torpedo icons! I remember the "knuckle" icon that you'd use as a decoy in the water - was a "S." The tomahawk missle launches. I "PWND" that game...

Guess grandpa needs to give it up - Silent Hunter is much more intense than that! Anybody else play RSR???

- Freddie
* He who has spent thousands since RSR....

[E.B. Fluckey]

I'm right there with you! I've played virtually every worthy submarine simulator since GATO on the C64. All of the classic Microprose games (Red Storm Rising, Gunship, Tank Platoon, F-19, etc) were simply brilliant. I played those games for an untold number of hours!

Edit: Meant to say RSR is one of my favorite games of all time. Loved that game (and the book)!

Top four classic sub-sims:
1. Gato
2. Silent Service (I and II)
3. Aces of the Deep
4. Red Storm Rising
5. Silent Hunter

[ChristopherT]

Originally Posted by E.B. Fluckey

I'm right there with you! I've played virtually every worthy

Top four classic sub-sims:
1. Gato
2. Silent Service (I and II)
3. Aces of the Deep
4. Red Storm Rising
5. Silent Hunter

Don't forget Epyx's Sub Battle Simulator which featured both US Pacific and German Atlantic campaigns on the same disk. One the reasons I didn't play my copy of RSR so much!

Christopher

[Grayback]

Originally Posted by E.B. Fluckey

Top four classic sub-sims:
1. Gato
2. Silent Service (I and II)
3. Aces of the Deep
4. Red Storm Rising
5. Silent Hunter

Aren't these just about all the classic sub-sims? I guess we're missing "Wolfpack" which I never played (though I've heard that described as more of a naval strategy game) and Das Boot & 688 which were reputed to be more arcadey. 688 was actually a lot of fun to play, until you got past its limited number of missions.

The only real sub game missing is Sub Battle Simulator which was IMO way better than Gato. AFAIR, Gato was a point & shoot torpedo game. SBS had everything that Gato had, with more intricate graphics, different ship types, better "floating" effects, a periscope that wasn't fixed to the bow and that side-view thing that shows you how deep the water is. I picked up Silent Service II by '93, but by then, I lost patience with PC games that required that I sit with a manual and go through missions by trial and error. Actually, I forgot Up Periscope - I don't I heard anybody talk about that one.

[Onkel Neal]

Man, Freddie, thanks for bringing up the memories. Yeah, I remember hours and hours playing Silent Service, and Wolfpack, and some RSR. And Seawolf SSN-21 (great mood music and it was two person multiplayer).

And then Aces of the Deep came along!!


Here's a piece my buddy wrote covering some of the subsim classics
THE HISTORY OF SUBSIMS

[E.B. Fluckey]

I never played Sub Battle Simulator although I remember seeing it on the shelf. Not sure why I didn't pick it up.

Forgot about Up Periscope - I played that one quite a bit too!

Ahhhhh the nostalgia

[ChristopherT]

Originally Posted by E.B. Fluckey

I never played Sub Battle Simulator although I remember seeing it on the shelf. Not sure why I didn't pick it up.

Forgot about Up Periscope - I played that one quite a bit too!

Ahhhhh the nostalgia

Here's a list of what I have currently. I did have a copy of Jane's 688I but I traded it for a new copy of SimCity 3000 Unlimited. All of these are really good and none will sink my system.


Up Periscope
Silent Hunter
Hunt For Red October
SubCulture
Epyx Sub Simulator
CAOD
Wolfpack
Silent Service II
Silent Service
Das Boot
GATO
Subwar2050
Harpoon 2
Harpoon
688 Attack Sub
Fast Attack
Red Storm Rising
SSN-21 Seawolf
Greywolf

[WOD]

Originally Posted by ChristopherT

Here's a list of what I have currently. I did have a copy of Jane's 688I but I traded it for a new copy of SimCity 3000 Unlimited. All of these are really good and none will sink my system.


Up Periscope
Silent Hunter
Hunt For Red October
SubCulture
Epyx Sub Simulator
CAOD
Wolfpack
Silent Service II
Silent Service
Das Boot
GATO
Subwar2050
Harpoon 2
Harpoon
688 Attack Sub
Fast Attack
Red Storm Rising
SSN-21 Seawolf
Greywolf

I´ll write only the subsims...

My first 2 Subsims I have had have been Silent Service and Red Storm Rising on C64 ....next one was Sub Battle Simulator (til now I think the only subsim where u have to lay mines in some career missions)....Should have done a bit more learning for school instead of playing so much *lol* But the game I´ve liked most in my C64 time was Strike Fleet (no subsim at all but a great combat-ship simulator (have it for amiga too)

The the Amiga came (have still 3 of this old machines standing here )
Silent Service, Silent Service II, Red Storm Rising, 688 attack sub, Das Boot, Wolfpack, Hunt for Red October...and Subwar2050 (if it can be called subsim...I don´t think so :-p)

For PC I have: Silent Hunter I, II & III, SSN 21 Seawolf, CAOD, Fast attack, 688 (I)Hunter/Killer, Sub Command, Silent Service II, Red Storm Rising and Tom Clancy´s SSN (which I don´t like cause it´s more an arcade game than a subsim)

Some of the older ones like Fast Attack I still play sometimes on a old 486DX2...love the nostalgic Feeling...and the old ones are mostly great games too.
Still playing RSR on the Amiga sometimes too if I got a nostalgic Flashback *lol*

My biggest wish is that a new Version of RSR would come out, with the standards of today (except a moddable SHIV...to get Wolves of the atlantic )....I think all in all Silent Service II and RSR are the games I played most in my whole computer time (all 3 platforms included)....The best version of RSR was the C64 version....the difference to the amiga version are the animated sequences that shows progress of the war....instead of the unanimated newsflash in the Amiga Version.

Some nostalgics will never die nostalgic flashbacks rulez

However the funniest thing when remembering back to the old C64 and Amiga times were the copy protections of the ships in the subsims....Identifying a ship or a sub as protection made it feel like a bit sitting in front of a periscope and identify the right target to have the right torpedo solution

Edit: Forgot 1914-Shells of Fury for PC....I like the scenario of this game with the historical correct missions....but all in all the game is crap and a waste of money.