Interesting fact ww2

IceGrog · 01-31-07, 03:13 PM

Interesting fact ww2
Sorry one of me buddies posted this at our sq forum.

More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than the Marine Corps. While completing the required 30 missions, your chance of being killed was 71%.

And I thought the german submariners had it bad

http://wilk4.com/humor/humorm175.htm

bigboywooly · 01-31-07, 03:35 PM

Yeah twas all them daylight raids over Europe from the UK that bumped that figure up

STEED · 01-31-07, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IceGrog

Interesting fact ww2
Sorry one of me buddies posted this at our sq forum.

More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than the Marine Corps. While completing the required 30 missions, your chance of being killed was 71%.

And I thought the german submariners had it bad

http://wilk4.com/humor/humorm175.htm

Best book on the subject is.....

The Mighty Eighth
By Roger A. Freeman
ISBN 1854095315

robbo180265 · 01-31-07, 03:54 PM

Can I also suggest: Target Berlin:Mission 250:6th March 1944.
Greenhill Military Paperback
Jeffrey Ethell and Alfred Price

An amazing story about an incredible daylight raid told both by the US airmen and the Luftwaffe pilots who intercepted them, as well as the civilians on the ground.

It's a subject dear to my heart as I was on the crew of the Sally B (an English owned B17 bomber) for a number of years.

Tigrone · 01-31-07, 04:09 PM

I believe, in order of loss rate, for those services in direct combat, it is:

German submariners
RAF Bomber Command aircrew
8th Air Force aircrew
Japanese Kamikaze force

It must be said these are losses among relatively small elite forces, exposed directly in combat.

The Kamikaze number is lower because many aircraft failed to find targets, aborted due to engine failure, they started later in the war, lack of fuel, and many were held back for home island defense. It was not from lack of trying.

US Army Infantry units had higher casualty rates then Marine infantry, due to being in combat for much longer periods of time. Marine units expirienced shorter, intense assualt actions in the main. The US 34th Division (National Guard) spent more time in combat than any other, and, as a result, had more casualties (well over 100%) than any US Division. The 34th was almost continuously in the line from November 42 to May 45.

AVGWarhawk · 01-31-07, 04:16 PM

Actually the best book on the subject is Contrails of the Big Square A. That's if you can find it and if you can are you willing to pay $300.00 for it. Anyway, it is true. My Uncle's first and last flight in a B17 was over Kiel Germany, June 13th 1943. He was going after the sub pens. The FW190 made his B17 explode. He was the tailgunner and I suspect was dead from cannon fire off the FW190 before this happened. At least Capt Rawlinsons account of the B-17 Klo-Kay said he believed this to be true as cannon fire was hitting the armor plating behind his seat. Capt Rawlinson was the pilot and only survivor of this action on the Klo-Kay.

irish1958 · 01-31-07, 10:21 PM

AVG
Sorry to hear of your loss, and the unfulfilled life of your uncle.
I just finished reading "War of the World" by N Furgerson; it is the best book on WWII I have ever read.
Why can't we stop this madness?

bookworm_020 · 01-31-07, 11:44 PM

It's because countries act the same way people do with there neigbour's. Most fights are started because of desputes over fences (borders), kids (citizens) and pets (naterial wildlife and resources).

It will always be, just hope it never gets to the same scale as WWI and WWII

01-31-07, 03:13 PM	#1
IceGrog Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA on the edge of the Pacific Posts: 217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Interesting fact ww2 Interesting fact ww2 Sorry one of me buddies posted this at our sq forum. More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than the Marine Corps. While completing the required 30 missions, your chance of being killed was 71%. And I thought the german submariners had it bad http://wilk4.com/humor/humorm175.htm __________________ U-551 7th Flottille Laid down: 21 Nov, 1939, Blohm & Voss, Hamburg Commissioned: 7 Nov, 1940 Commander: Kptlt. IceGrog von Ritter Sunk: 12/11/1940, 01/01/1941, 10/16/1941, 01/16/1942, 08/04/1943 .................................................. .......... A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory

01-31-07, 03:35 PM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Yeah twas all them daylight raids over Europe from the UK that bumped that figure up __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-31-07, 04:09 PM	#5
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	71% seems a little high for 8th Air Force I believe, in order of loss rate, for those services in direct combat, it is: German submariners RAF Bomber Command aircrew 8th Air Force aircrew Japanese Kamikaze force It must be said these are losses among relatively small elite forces, exposed directly in combat. The Kamikaze number is lower because many aircraft failed to find targets, aborted due to engine failure, they started later in the war, lack of fuel, and many were held back for home island defense. It was not from lack of trying. US Army Infantry units had higher casualty rates then Marine infantry, due to being in combat for much longer periods of time. Marine units expirienced shorter, intense assualt actions in the main. The US 34th Division (National Guard) spent more time in combat than any other, and, as a result, had more casualties (well over 100%) than any US Division. The 34th was almost continuously in the line from November 42 to May 45. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

01-31-07, 04:16 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Actually the best book on the subject is Contrails of the Big Square A. That's if you can find it and if you can are you willing to pay $300.00 for it. Anyway, it is true. My Uncle's first and last flight in a B17 was over Kiel Germany, June 13th 1943. He was going after the sub pens. The FW190 made his B17 explode. He was the tailgunner and I suspect was dead from cannon fire off the FW190 before this happened. At least Capt Rawlinsons account of the B-17 Klo-Kay said he believed this to be true as cannon fire was hitting the armor plating behind his seat. Capt Rawlinson was the pilot and only survivor of this action on the Klo-Kay. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-31-07, 10:21 PM	#7
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	War AVG Sorry to hear of your loss, and the unfulfilled life of your uncle. I just finished reading "War of the World" by N Furgerson; it is the best book on WWII I have ever read. Why can't we stop this madness? __________________ Irish1958

01-31-07, 03:54 PM	#4
robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Can I also suggest: Target Berlin:Mission 250:6th March 1944. Greenhill Military Paperback Jeffrey Ethell and Alfred Price An amazing story about an incredible daylight raid told both by the US airmen and the Luftwaffe pilots who intercepted them, as well as the civilians on the ground. It's a subject dear to my heart as I was on the crew of the Sally B (an English owned B17 bomber) for a number of years.

01-31-07, 11:44 PM	#8
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It's because countries act the same way people do with there neigbour's. Most fights are started because of desputes over fences (borders), kids (citizens) and pets (naterial wildlife and resources). It will always be, just hope it never gets to the same scale as WWI and WWII __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"