how long

Scheisskopf · 01-20-07, 07:00 PM

on average, how much time was spent in between patrols? was there a specific time that the uboats had to be opperational after arriving, like a due date for the next patrol? or did they just go whenever the boat was prepared?

Thanks

Schkpf

bigboywooly · 01-20-07, 07:13 PM

Not sure of the exact length of time
I know in the Indian Ocean it was around 55 days inbetween as there were no real dockyard facilities available for the German subs and the Japs never went out of the way to help
In German ports it would depend on all sorts of things
Damage
Need for upgrades
Crew leave and replacement
Availabilty of parts
How many boats were in front of you when you docked

Dont think there was ever a set time
28 days seems a good figure as used ingame

Ducimus · 01-20-07, 07:27 PM

There were alot of vairables involved that dicated how long they were in port.

If you feel like doing a little bit of research, heres a great site.
http://www.uboatwaffe.net/

You can look up when uboats went on patrol.
http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi

For example, heres U505
http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=505

Look closely at when they went on patrol, and the time between patrols. Having read a book about this boat, i know they were subjected to ALOT of sabatage which made the boat return to port alot.

Letum · 01-20-07, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

i know they were subjected to ALOT of sabatage which made the boat return to port alot.

In the last years of the war several crew members where caught sabotaging their own boats because losses where so high.
Pouring sugar in to the fuel makes a good mess of the engines and requires a long time in the docks.

JScones · 01-20-07, 08:16 PM

When the "randomised days spent in base" feature was added to SH3Cmdr, Beery did some research into this.

His results were then "massaged" into SH3Cmdr thus:

1939 between 5 and 30 days
1940 between 5 and 45 days
1941 between 10 and 50 days
1942 between 15 and 55 days
1943 between 20 and 60 days
1944 between 25 and 65 days
1945 between 25 and 65 days

Obviously these figures don't cater for different sub types or operational areas, hence why I say they were "massaged". But they pretty much outline the two extremes.

One thing is certain though, it was no less than 50 days in SE Asia.

melnibonian · 01-20-07, 08:16 PM

If I remember correctly in the book Iron Coffins it is said that the period between patrols was between 3 and 4 weeks.

andy_311 · 01-20-07, 09:47 PM

Will the end of Jan update for GWX reflex that for the Far east? or would it have to be edited manually (don't use sh3 commander)

JScones · 01-20-07, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by andy_311

Will the end of Jan update for GWX reflex that for the Far east? or would it have to be edited manually (don't use sh3 commander)

No. SH3 applies the same value to all Flotillas. Thus setting the value to 55 days by default means that ALL Flotillas will get 55 days, which is not appropriate.

So without using SH3Cmdr you'll need to modify the value manually when you are undertaking Far East patrols.

fredbass · 01-20-07, 10:19 PM

Just get Commander like most of us around here do.

Scheisskopf · 01-20-07, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

There were alot of vairables involved that dicated how long they were in port.

If you feel like doing a little bit of research, heres a great site.
http://www.uboatwaffe.net/

You can look up when uboats went on patrol.
http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi

For example, heres U505
http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=505

Look closely at when they went on patrol, and the time between patrols. Having read a book about this boat, i know they were subjected to ALOT of sabatage which made the boat return to port alot.

awesome, thanks for the links

thanks for the replies guys, interesting stuff

i'll look into getting SH3 Commander

Schkpf

Ducimus · 01-20-07, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

i know they were subjected to ALOT of sabatage which made the boat return to port alot.

In the last years of the war several crew members where caught sabotaging their own boats because losses where so high.
Pouring sugar in to the fuel makes a good mess of the engines and requires a long time in the docks.

Sources ive read seem to dispute that. *shrug*

Letum · 01-21-07, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

i know they were subjected to ALOT of sabatage which made the boat return to port alot.

In the last years of the war several crew members where caught sabotaging their own boats because losses where so high.
Pouring sugar in to the fuel makes a good mess of the engines and requires a long time in the docks.

Sources ive read seem to dispute that. *shrug*

The sabotage or the sugar?

My source is "The Battle for the Atlantic" Andrew Williams 2002

mookiemookie · 01-21-07, 12:17 AM

Cremer (U-333) talks about the British sabotage propaganda effort (dropping leaflets and such). He says that "In the first years of the war it was highly improbably that German U-boat men were ready to sabotage their own boat. The British probably did not expect that they would, but counted rather on generating a certain mistrust, praticularly between the chief engineer and his mechanics. Whether the British ever succeeded, I cannot say."

So I guess you COULD be right in saying that it went on in the later years. I find it hard to believe, though. But what do I know.

01-20-07, 07:00 PM	#1
Scheisskopf A-ganger Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 79 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	how long on average, how much time was spent in between patrols? was there a specific time that the uboats had to be opperational after arriving, like a due date for the next patrol? or did they just go whenever the boat was prepared? Thanks Schkpf __________________ USS Scorpion (SS-278)

01-20-07, 07:13 PM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Not sure of the exact length of time I know in the Indian Ocean it was around 55 days inbetween as there were no real dockyard facilities available for the German subs and the Japs never went out of the way to help In German ports it would depend on all sorts of things Damage Need for upgrades Crew leave and replacement Availabilty of parts How many boats were in front of you when you docked Dont think there was ever a set time 28 days seems a good figure as used ingame __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

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melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	If I remember correctly in the book Iron Coffins it is said that the period between patrols was between 3 and 4 weeks. __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

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01-21-07, 12:17 AM	#13
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Cremer (U-333) talks about the British sabotage propaganda effort (dropping leaflets and such). He says that "In the first years of the war it was highly improbably that German U-boat men were ready to sabotage their own boat. The British probably did not expect that they would, but counted rather on generating a certain mistrust, praticularly between the chief engineer and his mechanics. Whether the British ever succeeded, I cannot say." So I guess you COULD be right in saying that it went on in the later years. I find it hard to believe, though. But what do I know. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

01-20-07, 07:27 PM	#3
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	There were alot of vairables involved that dicated how long they were in port. If you feel like doing a little bit of research, heres a great site. http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ You can look up when uboats went on patrol. http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi For example, heres U505 http://www.uboatwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=505 Look closely at when they went on patrol, and the time between patrols. Having read a book about this boat, i know they were subjected to ALOT of sabatage which made the boat return to port alot.

01-20-07, 08:16 PM	#5
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	When the "randomised days spent in base" feature was added to SH3Cmdr, Beery did some research into this. His results were then "massaged" into SH3Cmdr thus: 1939 between 5 and 30 days 1940 between 5 and 45 days 1941 between 10 and 50 days 1942 between 15 and 55 days 1943 between 20 and 60 days 1944 between 25 and 65 days 1945 between 25 and 65 days Obviously these figures don't cater for different sub types or operational areas, hence why I say they were "massaged". But they pretty much outline the two extremes. One thing is certain though, it was no less than 50 days in SE Asia.

01-20-07, 09:47 PM	#7
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Will the end of Jan update for GWX reflex that for the Far east? or would it have to be edited manually (don't use sh3 commander)