GWX and warships

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-06, 12:21 PM

OK, there are a few threads out there concerning the warships(GWX version) and how good they are. Lets take a look at the reality of it.

1. After you are detected evasion is not always going to work, no matter what you do. That was the reality of the u-boat.

2. Even if you are attempting to evade for hours on end and are successful, congrats to you, if you take hours/day and still not evade and surface, welcome to reality because that was the reality of the u-boat.

3. Detection was done by ASDIC, sonar. Just because you do not hear a ping off your hull does not mean they do not hear you on the sonar. That was the reality of the u-boat.

4. If you go dead silent/all stop in the water and the destroyers stay above listening, this is what they did! That was the reality of the u-boat.

5. The u-boat captains knew when to cut and run because the warships were thick. That was the reality of the u-boat. Going in like a Banshi with 4 destroyers hanging and no plan of attack/escape is death....just another reality.

Men, what I'm trying to get across here is the arcade style warships are now gone and we all just might have to start thinking like captains. The days of blasting around and sneaking way after an attack in less than 15 minutes are gone. Welcome to the day in GWX that you will have to stay down until batteries are dead and the air is thick! The day you surface to surrender! Sure, you have worked on your crew for 15 patrols but there will be that one day when your not returning to port with the boys. Just another reality of the u-boat. Just a new great reality of GWX

danlisa · 12-22-06, 12:28 PM

Yes Sir

Very Well Put.

This is exactly the effect the GWX Devs were after.

Remember - You are a U-Boat Captain.

K_Sea6 · 12-22-06, 12:30 PM

Men, what I'm trying to get across here is the arcade style warships are now gone and we all just might have to start thinking like captains.

Thats what I'm talkin about

mr chris · 12-22-06, 12:32 PM

Totaly on the money AVG

GWX is a real as it gets

_Seth_ · 12-22-06, 12:33 PM

AVG, this one went right into the ammo bunker! Bullseye!

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-06, 12:33 PM

I'm waiting for the day that the warships keep me down so long I will be forced to surface under the gun

. That was the reality of it! If I can escape then Hooray for me! I fight for another day!

danlisa · 12-22-06, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm waiting for the day that the warships keep me down so long I will be forced to surface under the gun

. That was the reality of it! If I can escape then Hooray for me! I fight for another day!

It will come

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-06, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm waiting for the day that the warships keep me down so long I will be forced to surface under the gun

. That was the reality of it! If I can escape then Hooray for me! I fight for another day!

It will come

I'll be scuttling my boat sir....set the charges! England here we come!

The last thing I heard as the British boarded my boat, "BOOT HOCH HALTEN SONST WIRD KEINER GERETT!"...Keep the boat afloat or no one will be rescued...my war was over....

Hakahura · 12-22-06, 01:36 PM

Right on AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

OK, there are a few threads out there concerning the warships(GWX version) and how good they are. Lets take a look at the reality of it.

1. After you are detected evasion is not always going to work, no matter what you do. That was the reality of the u-boat.

2. Even if you are attempting to evade for hours on end and are successful, congrats to you, if you take hours/day and still not evade and surface, welcome to reality because that was the reality of the u-boat.

3. Detection was done by ASDIC, sonar. Just because you do not hear a ping off your hull does not mean they do not hear you on the sonar. That was the reality of the u-boat.

4. If you go dead silent/all stop in the water and the destroyers stay above listening, this is what they did! That was the reality of the u-boat.

5. The u-boat captains knew when to cut and run because the warships were thick. That was the reality of the u-boat. Going in like a Banshi with 4 destroyers hanging and no plan of attack/escape is death....just another reality.

Men, what I'm trying to get across here is the arcade style warships are now gone and we all just might have to start thinking like captains. The days of blasting around and sneaking way after an attack in less than 15 minutes are gone. Welcome to the day in GWX that you will have to stay down until batteries are dead and the air is thick! The day you surface to surrender! Sure, you have worked on your crew for 15 patrols but there will be that one day when your not returning to port with the boys. Just another reality of the u-boat. Just a new great reality of GWX

I totally agree.

I've read quite a few posts since GWX has been released and it strikes me that there are some people out there who seem to a have missed the point. For me GWX is bang on.

Anyone who has a problem with GWX should read and inwardly digest AVGWarharks post.

Or just not use GWX!

I find it quite surprising how many people are prepared to ungratfully criticise the efforts of the GWX team, who have generously provided what amounts to a new game for free. Use it or don't use it, but don't complain if you can't handle it.

"If I throw a dog a bone I don't want to know what it tastes like"...

...Bricktop

mr chris · 12-22-06, 01:53 PM

Hakahura
Love your sig mate the brick top line is great

Hakahura · 12-22-06, 01:57 PM

"Beware any man that owns a pig farm"...

... Bricktop
(again)

mr chris · 12-22-06, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakahura

"Beware any man that owns a pig farm"...

... Bricktop
(again)

That is a really funny flim snatch. I like your style mate

Jimbuna · 12-22-06, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm waiting for the day that the warships keep me down so long I will be forced to surface under the gun

. That was the reality of it! If I can escape then Hooray for me! I fight for another day!

It will come

most probably in mid 43

aboyce · 12-22-06, 03:30 PM

I did have a recent experience that seems out of sync with the current thoughts on aggressive warship AI. I was off the coast of n africa in 1942 (Jan), ran into a task force of 3 cruisers with 3 dd escorts. I crept up at 1 kt at periscope depth and managed to put 3/4 torps into a fiji which promptly sank. I went silent and deep, albeit very slowly moving at 2 kts. I don't even think the dd's altered course to find me. no pings, depth charges or any sign of hostility. the weather was clear but windy (15knts) with significant waves which made staying stealthy even trickier. Just seemed a bit odd....

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-06, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aboyce

I did have a recent experience that seems out of sync with the current thoughts on aggressive warship AI. I was off the coast of n africa in 1942 (Jan), ran into a task force of 3 cruisers with 3 dd escorts. I crept up at 1 kt at periscope depth and managed to put 3/4 torps into a fiji which promptly sank. I went silent and deep, albeit very slowly moving at 2 kts. I don't even think the dd's altered course to find me. no pings, depth charges or any sign of hostility. the weather was clear but windy (15knts) with significant waves which made staying stealthy even trickier. Just seemed a bit odd....

I know of this task force and experienced the same but that was also in GW1.1 and maybe not part of the mod as far as reaction of the AI. Although I missed with all my torpedos (they were compress air torpedos) making tracks. The kept rolling at 20 some knots. Did a zig or two and gone into the mist. It's like they have to be somewhere and fast.

Anyway, there were two types of convoys, slow and fast. Usually the fast did not have as many escort because they could simply out run the uboat. I believe this to be true of the task forces! If your lucky you get one shot at it. If you miss...your not catching up to try again. So with that said, the task forces would keep on steaming at high speed, no need to hang out and look for and protect some lumbering merchant vessels

12-22-06, 12:21 PM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	GWX and warships OK, there are a few threads out there concerning the warships(GWX version) and how good they are. Lets take a look at the reality of it. 1. After you are detected evasion is not always going to work, no matter what you do. That was the reality of the u-boat. 2. Even if you are attempting to evade for hours on end and are successful, congrats to you, if you take hours/day and still not evade and surface, welcome to reality because that was the reality of the u-boat. 3. Detection was done by ASDIC, sonar. Just because you do not hear a ping off your hull does not mean they do not hear you on the sonar. That was the reality of the u-boat. 4. If you go dead silent/all stop in the water and the destroyers stay above listening, this is what they did! That was the reality of the u-boat. 5. The u-boat captains knew when to cut and run because the warships were thick. That was the reality of the u-boat. Going in like a Banshi with 4 destroyers hanging and no plan of attack/escape is death....just another reality. Men, what I'm trying to get across here is the arcade style warships are now gone and we all just might have to start thinking like captains. The days of blasting around and sneaking way after an attack in less than 15 minutes are gone. Welcome to the day in GWX that you will have to stay down until batteries are dead and the air is thick! The day you surface to surrender! Sure, you have worked on your crew for 15 patrols but there will be that one day when your not returning to port with the boys. Just another reality of the u-boat. Just a new great reality of GWX __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-22-06, 12:28 PM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Yes Sir Very Well Put. This is exactly the effect the GWX Devs were after. Remember - You are a U-Boat Captain. __________________

12-22-06, 12:32 PM	#4
mr chris Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Herefordshire, England Posts: 3,562 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	Totaly on the money AVG GWX is a real as it gets __________________

12-22-06, 12:33 PM	#5
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	AVG, this one went right into the ammo bunker! Bullseye! __________________

12-22-06, 12:33 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I'm waiting for the day that the warships keep me down so long I will be forced to surface under the gun. That was the reality of it! If I can escape then Hooray for me! I fight for another day! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-22-06, 12:30 PM	#3
K_Sea6 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: oklahoma Posts: 136 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Men, what I'm trying to get across here is the arcade style warships are now gone and we all just might have to start thinking like captains. Thats what I'm talkin about

12-22-06, 01:53 PM	#10
mr chris Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Herefordshire, England Posts: 3,562 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	Hakahura Love your sig mate the brick top line is great __________________

12-22-06, 01:57 PM	#11
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"Beware any man that owns a pig farm"... ... Bricktop (again) __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

12-22-06, 03:30 PM	#14
aboyce Watch Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I did have a recent experience that seems out of sync with the current thoughts on aggressive warship AI. I was off the coast of n africa in 1942 (Jan), ran into a task force of 3 cruisers with 3 dd escorts. I crept up at 1 kt at periscope depth and managed to put 3/4 torps into a fiji which promptly sank. I went silent and deep, albeit very slowly moving at 2 kts. I don't even think the dd's altered course to find me. no pings, depth charges or any sign of hostility. the weather was clear but windy (15knts) with significant waves which made staying stealthy even trickier. Just seemed a bit odd....