perfected my convoy attacking....

gutted · 10-20-06, 06:19 PM

.. with manual targetting. i can now hit 4 ships nearly everytime. the torps will impact at around the same time. i can actually get more.. if i turn around after the last shot and flip the AOB i can launch the rear tubes at the next row.

well.. atleast until i get to '43 :P
http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Convoy.wmv

to get an idea of how i did it look at this:
http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Animation2.gif

All i do is figure get on a perpindicular course to them.. figure out their speed using the hydrophone (thanks to the guys who made that chart).

put the scope on 0, Set AOB 90, enter their speed.. then turn off the manual entry button. back to the periscope.. slew it over till the gyro reads 0.. then fire as each lead ship crosses your firing point. after the last torp is gone, slew the crosshair back to 0 and wait.

when they cross the 0.. watch the fireworks :P

don't even bother with the range knob with this method.. this works from any range.

thegroo · 10-20-06, 07:53 PM

Great idea.

I'll have to try it.

Regards
Dieter

kylania · 10-20-06, 08:35 PM

Wow! That's very very impressive!

LoneTraveller · 10-20-06, 10:32 PM

I do that but only with the automatic targeting. Cause I admit that I can't shoot (even less mesure the speed of a ship) in manual targeting mode.

I admire you

The thing I'm working on now is how to attack a convoy (that is in a square formation) but from a diagonal angle through the square itself and shoot at the furthest targets (along the shootable perimeter) then the ones closer and closer. The idea is that the first column and row (like in a matrix) like be destroyed in one attack. I am working on it with a type XXI cause it has enough torps and reloads fast enough.

I wish there was a simple way to make correspond the knots speed, distance (in meters) and seconds so that all torps would hit at the same time :hmm: Anybody have ideas how to do this ?

Dantenoc · 10-20-06, 11:12 PM

Brilliant

... shows what a person can do when he bothers to think out a problem a bit

.

Just one thing, though... I take it you don't use any of the major mods? The reason I ask is that I haven't been able to use sound for determining speed since I modded my game (some modder thought it would be cool to change all the ship's sounds

)... I haven't been able to figure the new RPM to speed convertions since

If anyone has info on this please share

Emcon · 10-21-06, 07:03 AM

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when they cross the 0.. watch the fireworks

LMAO

Very nice, Gutted!

Sawdust · 10-21-06, 08:39 AM

Ditto what the others have said. Great idea.

Nice video and animated gif file, too; both are well made.

Based on your idea, I was thinking that if you were to obtain an obtuse angle to the ships you'd have more time between torpedoes needing to be launched...but then the ships wouldn't be hit at the same time and the later ships might be able to change speed or course.

gutted · 10-21-06, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantenoc

Brilliant

... shows what a person can do when he bothers to think out a problem a bit

.

Just one thing, though... I take it you don't use any of the major mods? The reason I ask is that I haven't been able to use sound for determining speed since I modded my game (some modder thought it would be cool to change all the ship's sounds

)... I haven't been able to figure the new RPM to speed convertions since

If anyone has info on this please share

i use the GW mod, but i replaced their hydrophone sounds with the original ones.

CptGrayWolf · 10-21-06, 10:12 AM

Holysmoke does this really work!? http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Animation2.gif
Sounds like something that should work in theory, but what about practice?
Maybe one of our resident U-boat experts can tell us if this method was ever used.

abel29a · 10-22-06, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGrayWolf

Holysmoke does this really work!? http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Animation2.gif
Sounds like something that should work in theory, but what about practice?
Maybe one of our resident U-boat experts can tell us if this method was ever used.

This works like a charm, I use it myself with great success. It's simple geometry after all. When you fire your torpedoes at the same angle at several targets the distance the target travels from that point to the torpedo running vector is proportional to the distance from the target to your boat. As long as all the targets and your torpedos travel at the same speed they must intercept eachother on the 0 angle bearing. The distance measure for a 0 angle shot is therefore of no importance whatsoever. Took me a little while to get my head around that one

I only bother with updating the range to a target when I want the correct running time.

As for RL use - well, I doubt convoys where as regular as they are in SHIII, even a little zig zagging would make hitting the further targets much more difficult. And as far as I know, except Kretschmer and a few select one would probably launch more than one torpedo per target, thus making a perfect 4 hit wonder salvo less probable.

rasmus1896 · 10-23-06, 08:36 AM

i agree with the others but could you do a video of plotting the torpedo attack

i as i am a ducouldnt undrestand how to you make the AOB 90 d*mbhead

kanolsen · 11-27-06, 06:28 AM

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...nual_Targeting

Check out this site for an good explanation of manual targetting, there is also an link there for AOB and how you set it in different ways.

Good luck.

Kanolsen

P_Funk · 11-27-06, 06:52 AM

I keep adding things to my must have list for manual targeting. Im not very good at developing new and amazing techniques for SH3 but I am good at learning them. This I am gonna try out as soon as I can.

Soon enough whenever a noob starts a thread asking for tips on manual targeting in addition to Wazoo and danotec there'll be gutted.

nightdagger · 11-27-06, 07:29 AM

What chart are you talking about and, more importantly, where can I find it?

raduz · 11-27-06, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P_Funk

I keep adding things to my must have list for manual targeting. Im not very good at developing new and amazing techniques for SH3 but I am good at learning them. This I am gonna try out as soon as I can.

Soon enough whenever a noob starts a thread asking for tips on manual targeting in addition to Wazoo and danotec there'll be gutted.

danotec

10-20-06, 06:19 PM	#1
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	perfected my convoy attacking.... .. with manual targetting. i can now hit 4 ships nearly everytime. the torps will impact at around the same time. i can actually get more.. if i turn around after the last shot and flip the AOB i can launch the rear tubes at the next row. well.. atleast until i get to '43 :P http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Convoy.wmv to get an idea of how i did it look at this: http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Animation2.gif All i do is figure get on a perpindicular course to them.. figure out their speed using the hydrophone (thanks to the guys who made that chart). put the scope on 0, Set AOB 90, enter their speed.. then turn off the manual entry button. back to the periscope.. slew it over till the gyro reads 0.. then fire as each lead ship crosses your firing point. after the last torp is gone, slew the crosshair back to 0 and wait. when they cross the 0.. watch the fireworks :P don't even bother with the range knob with this method.. this works from any range. Last edited by gutted; 10-20-06 at 06:27 PM.

10-20-06, 08:35 PM	#3
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Wow! That's very very impressive! __________________

10-20-06, 11:12 PM	#5
Dantenoc Captain Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ensenada, B.C., Mexico Posts: 504 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Brilliant ... shows what a person can do when he bothers to think out a problem a bit . Just one thing, though... I take it you don't use any of the major mods? The reason I ask is that I haven't been able to use sound for determining speed since I modded my game (some modder thought it would be cool to change all the ship's sounds )... I haven't been able to figure the new RPM to speed convertions since If anyone has info on this please share __________________ Going to U-boot school : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88922 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=90234 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97682

10-21-06, 08:39 AM	#7
Sawdust Planesman Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Quadrant DB22 Posts: 198 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ditto what the others have said. Great idea. Nice video and animated gif file, too; both are well made. Based on your idea, I was thinking that if you were to obtain an obtuse angle to the ships you'd have more time between torpedoes needing to be launched...but then the ships wouldn't be hit at the same time and the later ships might be able to change speed or course. __________________ .-. --- ..- --. .... ... . .- ... .- .... . .- -..

10-21-06, 10:12 AM	#9
CptGrayWolf Commander Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saint Lawrence Seaway Posts: 459 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Holysmoke does this really work!? http://www.jg52.com/gutted/sh3/Animation2.gif Sounds like something that should work in theory, but what about practice? Maybe one of our resident U-boat experts can tell us if this method was ever used. __________________ Thomas Voltz, U-93 VIIc, Aug 1940, at sea patrol 1 GWX3 Gold, 100%

10-20-06, 07:53 PM	#2
thegroo Bosun Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Switzerland Posts: 67 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Great idea. I'll have to try it. Regards Dieter

10-20-06, 10:32 PM	#4
LoneTraveller Seaman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 39 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I do that but only with the automatic targeting. Cause I admit that I can't shoot (even less mesure the speed of a ship) in manual targeting mode. I admire you The thing I'm working on now is how to attack a convoy (that is in a square formation) but from a diagonal angle through the square itself and shoot at the furthest targets (along the shootable perimeter) then the ones closer and closer. The idea is that the first column and row (like in a matrix) like be destroyed in one attack. I am working on it with a type XXI cause it has enough torps and reloads fast enough. I wish there was a simple way to make correspond the knots speed, distance (in meters) and seconds so that all torps would hit at the same time :hmm: Anybody have ideas how to do this ?

10-23-06, 08:36 AM	#11
rasmus1896 Sparky Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eesti Estonia Posts: 153 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	i agree with the others but could you do a video of plotting the torpedo attack i as i am a ducouldnt undrestand how to you make the AOB 90 d*mbhead

11-27-06, 06:28 AM	#12
kanolsen A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 71 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...nual_Targeting Check out this site for an good explanation of manual targetting, there is also an link there for AOB and how you set it in different ways. Good luck. Kanolsen

11-27-06, 06:52 AM	#13
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I keep adding things to my must have list for manual targeting. Im not very good at developing new and amazing techniques for SH3 but I am good at learning them. This I am gonna try out as soon as I can. Soon enough whenever a noob starts a thread asking for tips on manual targeting in addition to Wazoo and danotec there'll be gutted. __________________

11-27-06, 07:29 AM	#14
nightdagger Officer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 243 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What chart are you talking about and, more importantly, where can I find it?