More crew in engine compartments...

Krupp · 11-15-06, 05:05 PM

S!

In vanilla sim, diesel engine and electric motor compartments had space for 8 crewmembers. NYGM has decreased the number down to 5. I would like to change it back, without any other changes.

Reason for this is that I would like to simulate more authentic number of men in those compartments. For example: U-564 (type VII) had 21 men working as a "technische personal", from which 15-16 worked directly with electric motors and diesel engines.

Maybe someone could give few pointers?

K

Sailor Steve · 11-15-06, 05:36 PM

Okay, you've got 15 engine and motor men, divided into three shifts. That leaves each shift with, let's see...five men.

U-Schultz · 11-15-06, 06:13 PM

Very funny Sailor Steve...

Actually I have a book that states the engine room crew worked a six hours on/six hours off shift.

I will check and see if it gives a "typical" number of crew on duty.

Krupp · 11-15-06, 06:15 PM

Let's see, U-Boat engine crew shifts were 6 hour rotations

Thanks U-Schultz

Edit:

In U-564, there was:

Port Diesel:
(Diesel obermaschinist) + 1 artificer + 2 men

Stbd diesel:
1 artificer + 2 men

port electric:
(electric obermashist) + 1 artificer + 2 men
stbd electric:
1 artificer + 2 men

that gives you 14 men.

IIRC, diesels were run one at a time, to save fuel and prevent engines to worn out. And when one engine was off, crew cleaned exhaust valves etc. So, if only one engine was running when cruising, then those 5 slots could be enough? Hard to tell and that's I would like to find out. No need to be impudent.

Sailor Steve · 11-15-06, 06:25 PM

Cool. I don't use NYGM, and have no real thoughts on crew numbers one way or the other. I really was just being funny...sort of...kinda...maybe

U-Schultz · 11-15-06, 08:41 PM

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dinadan122 · 11-16-06, 01:58 AM

is this why my damage control group looks like this 0000XXX where X is a blue crewmen with a X on him, can this be modded out b/c its annoying when i have to move the other crew members manually im using NYGM mod.

kylania · 11-16-06, 03:19 AM

Unfortunately moving crew members manually is how the NYGM 2.2 Crew Management system works. Basically every 8 hours or so you'll swap your in Engine crew with the same sized crew in the stern quarters. Also change the helmsmen, radio room crew and watch crew with the reserves in the bow quarters. Rotate and rest officers as you can.

The "off duty" engine room is a neutral zone, you can place sailors and officers there and they won't tire out. So if you're cruising submerged you can leave your torpedo crew and watch officer there while your watch crew take the empty spots in the bow quarters for instance.

NYGM 2.2 strives for realism, and while running a tight crew wasn't directly the Captain's job (more the XO's) the crew had to be run, and in NYGM that's up to you.

You can set your 3D max Time Compression to be less than your max Time Compression, so that when over the 3D time fatigue won't affect your men. Some use SH3 Commander to do away with fatigue all together for exactly the reason you gave, it's annoying dragging 24 men across a little boat every 10 minutes.

Choose whichever method you enjoy though, there's no rules saying you have to do it any certain way.

11-15-06, 05:05 PM	#1
Krupp Weps Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 351 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	More crew in engine compartments... S! In vanilla sim, diesel engine and electric motor compartments had space for 8 crewmembers. NYGM has decreased the number down to 5. I would like to change it back, without any other changes. Reason for this is that I would like to simulate more authentic number of men in those compartments. For example: U-564 (type VII) had 21 men working as a "technische personal", from which 15-16 worked directly with electric motors and diesel engines. Maybe someone could give few pointers? K __________________ "Gentlemen, we have no choice. Total engagement. Die with dignity."

11-15-06, 05:36 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Okay, you've got 15 engine and motor men, divided into three shifts. That leaves each shift with, let's see...five men. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-15-06, 06:13 PM	#3
U-Schultz Medic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Atlantic Posts: 162 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Very funny Sailor Steve... Actually I have a book that states the engine room crew worked a six hours on/six hours off shift. I will check and see if it gives a "typical" number of crew on duty. __________________ Theres nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot

11-15-06, 06:15 PM	#4
Krupp Weps Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 351 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Let's see, U-Boat engine crew shifts were 6 hour rotations Thanks U-Schultz Edit: In U-564, there was: Port Diesel: (Diesel obermaschinist) + 1 artificer + 2 men Stbd diesel: 1 artificer + 2 men port electric: (electric obermashist) + 1 artificer + 2 men stbd electric: 1 artificer + 2 men that gives you 14 men. IIRC, diesels were run one at a time, to save fuel and prevent engines to worn out. And when one engine was off, crew cleaned exhaust valves etc. So, if only one engine was running when cruising, then those 5 slots could be enough? Hard to tell and that's I would like to find out. No need to be impudent. __________________ "Gentlemen, we have no choice. Total engagement. Die with dignity." Last edited by Krupp; 11-15-06 at 06:32 PM.

11-15-06, 06:25 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Cool. I don't use NYGM, and have no real thoughts on crew numbers one way or the other. I really was just being funny...sort of...kinda...maybe __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-15-06, 08:41 PM	#6
U-Schultz Medic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Atlantic Posts: 162 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	..... __________________ Theres nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot

11-16-06, 01:58 AM	#7
dinadan122 Watch Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	is this why my damage control group looks like this 0000XXX where X is a blue crewmen with a X on him, can this be modded out b/c its annoying when i have to move the other crew members manually im using NYGM mod.

11-16-06, 03:19 AM	#8
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately moving crew members manually is how the NYGM 2.2 Crew Management system works. Basically every 8 hours or so you'll swap your in Engine crew with the same sized crew in the stern quarters. Also change the helmsmen, radio room crew and watch crew with the reserves in the bow quarters. Rotate and rest officers as you can. The "off duty" engine room is a neutral zone, you can place sailors and officers there and they won't tire out. So if you're cruising submerged you can leave your torpedo crew and watch officer there while your watch crew take the empty spots in the bow quarters for instance. NYGM 2.2 strives for realism, and while running a tight crew wasn't directly the Captain's job (more the XO's) the crew had to be run, and in NYGM that's up to you. You can set your 3D max Time Compression to be less than your max Time Compression, so that when over the 3D time fatigue won't affect your men. Some use SH3 Commander to do away with fatigue all together for exactly the reason you gave, it's annoying dragging 24 men across a little boat every 10 minutes. Choose whichever method you enjoy though, there's no rules saying you have to do it any certain way. __________________