Mines - how do you detect them?

svenks · 11-08-06, 04:56 PM

...Other than the rather nasty wakeup call I just had!!!

Can you see them from the bridge, or do you have to peek thru the murky waters thru the observation scope?

Better yet: Has anyone got a map of the ENGLISH minefields?

BRGDS
Sven

Sailor Steve · 11-08-06, 05:27 PM

Well, let's see. Real u-boats avoided enemy harbors like the plague. The best way to get around this is to cheat. Use SH3 Commander to change the water back to the stock configuration; i.e. very clear, then use the external cam to avoid the mines.

melnibonian · 11-08-06, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svenks

...Other than the rather nasty wakeup call I just had!!!

Can you see them from the bridge, or do you have to peek thru the murky waters thru the observation scope?

Better yet: Has anyone got a map of the ENGLISH minefields?

BRGDS
Sven

Hello

I think the only way to see the mines is through the scope. So you're at periscope depth and you have the scope slightly up. It's tricky to navigate like that, but nobody said passing through a minefield is easy

You can use inteligence to know the positions of minefields by using the SH3Gen. Have a look at this http://www.global-explorer.de/

Also if you need to know their exact location open up the editor. (Some say it's cheating but who am I to judge

)

Steeltrap · 11-08-06, 07:03 PM

I don't go near harbours and I don't go anywhere near marked minefields.

U-boats typically didn't. Tactical situation near harbours was a disadvantage to subs. Doctrine had u-boats at sea.....main exception was where they operated close ashore during Drumbeat.

WilhelmSchulz. · 11-08-06, 07:35 PM

You cant.

P_Funk · 11-08-06, 07:57 PM

Couldn't you theoretically detect them with sonar?

WilhelmSchulz. · 11-08-06, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Couldn't you theoretically detect them with sonar?

not in this game.

bookworm_020 · 11-08-06, 09:50 PM

When you hear a boom! and a report of damge flooding and/or a death screen you know that you have found that mine field

stabiz · 11-08-06, 09:55 PM

:rotfl:Yes, the best way to detect them is to go flank ahead right through it.

P_Funk · 11-08-06, 10:12 PM

SH3 Gen is very helpful here because it can alert you to minefields. The channel is obvuously the most dangerous minefield area simply because it is a route you are tempted to take and there isn't any clear indication of where one might be unlike with harbours where it's something that can be thought out or experimented with.

irish1958 · 11-08-06, 11:08 PM

I don't think very high frequency sonar was available in the 1940. This is what is needed to detect small objects such as mines.

TarJak · 11-09-06, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

I don't go near harbours and I don't go anywhere near marked minefields.

U-boats typically didn't. Tactical situation near harbours was a disadvantage to subs. Doctrine had u-boats at sea.....main exception was where they operated close ashore during Drumbeat.

There was also a period in late '39 and early '40 where they were used as extensively as minlayers in and around British ports. I think one of the Type I boats U25 or U26 got sunk in Plymouth harbour or there abouts on a mine laying mission.

Tigrone · 11-09-06, 01:22 AM

WW1 and WW2 mines were invisible to submarines. There was no technology that could detect them except lookouts on the surface. Also, you can 't see anything through a scope underwater. It's not like free diving at Molokini.

Today mines are made of materials that are not detectable by Sonar, and Sonar beeping is like screaming: here I am, here I am!

svenks · 11-09-06, 02:13 AM

Hi all,

Thanks for all your replies!
To sum up then: There is no way to see the bastards, unless one of them is actually at the surface, but you can spot them thru the scope - if you're too close!

You can use sh3gen to find the mines, but other than that

I don't go near the harbours as well. My 'encounter' happened at AN52, around 35 nm WSW of the center of AN52. That is some distance from shore. I was submerged for the day, and had just gone to TC 512, when BAM! It must have been a mine.

Oh, and I'm running GW.

BRGDS
Sven

kiwi_2005 · 11-09-06, 02:19 AM

well their is one way - Put Bernard in a frogsuit, tye him to the front of the sub, and give him a spanner. everytime bernard spots a mine he'll bang on the boat and your know to change course.

This worked well until he ran out of air

:rotfl:

11-08-06, 04:56 PM	#1
svenks Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 129 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Mines - how do you detect them? ...Other than the rather nasty wakeup call I just had!!! Can you see them from the bridge, or do you have to peek thru the murky waters thru the observation scope? Better yet: Has anyone got a map of the ENGLISH minefields? BRGDS Sven

11-08-06, 05:27 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well, let's see. Real u-boats avoided enemy harbors like the plague. The best way to get around this is to cheat. Use SH3 Commander to change the water back to the stock configuration; i.e. very clear, then use the external cam to avoid the mines. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-08-06, 07:35 PM	#5
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	You cant. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

11-08-06, 07:57 PM	#6
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Couldn't you theoretically detect them with sonar? __________________

11-08-06, 09:50 PM	#8
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	When you hear a boom! and a report of damge flooding and/or a death screen you know that you have found that mine field __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-08-06, 07:03 PM	#4
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I don't go near harbours and I don't go anywhere near marked minefields. U-boats typically didn't. Tactical situation near harbours was a disadvantage to subs. Doctrine had u-boats at sea.....main exception was where they operated close ashore during Drumbeat.

11-08-06, 09:55 PM	#9
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	:rotfl:Yes, the best way to detect them is to go flank ahead right through it. __________________

11-08-06, 10:12 PM	#10
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	SH3 Gen is very helpful here because it can alert you to minefields. The channel is obvuously the most dangerous minefield area simply because it is a route you are tempted to take and there isn't any clear indication of where one might be unlike with harbours where it's something that can be thought out or experimented with. __________________

11-08-06, 11:08 PM	#11
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	minefields I don't think very high frequency sonar was available in the 1940. This is what is needed to detect small objects such as mines. __________________ Irish1958

11-09-06, 01:22 AM	#13
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	It's a joke, right? WW1 and WW2 mines were invisible to submarines. There was no technology that could detect them except lookouts on the surface. Also, you can 't see anything through a scope underwater. It's not like free diving at Molokini. Today mines are made of materials that are not detectable by Sonar, and Sonar beeping is like screaming: here I am, here I am! __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

11-09-06, 02:13 AM	#14
svenks Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 129 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Hi all, Thanks for all your replies! To sum up then: There is no way to see the bastards, unless one of them is actually at the surface, but you can spot them thru the scope - if you're too close! You can use sh3gen to find the mines, but other than that I don't go near the harbours as well. My 'encounter' happened at AN52, around 35 nm WSW of the center of AN52. That is some distance from shore. I was submerged for the day, and had just gone to TC 512, when BAM! It must have been a mine. Oh, and I'm running GW. BRGDS Sven

11-09-06, 02:19 AM	#15
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	well their is one way - Put Bernard in a frogsuit, tye him to the front of the sub, and give him a spanner. everytime bernard spots a mine he'll bang on the boat and your know to change course. This worked well until he ran out of air :rotfl: __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.