saddest day in Jewish history

[Rockstar]

Before I ask my question, I realize there is a truck load of websites and library books on the subject that can tell me what happened. But I'm hoping to find something I haven't been able to so far.

Is there any Jewish records that indicate or a respected rabbi who might know the ethnicity of the army that destroyed the second temple in 70. I know the Roman empire had a knack for pressing the conquered into the army but they normally dragged them off to another part of the empire where they had no sympathy or alligence. And if there were other people involved in the seige besides the roman army where did they come from? (arab, persian, etc)

In Daniel it says "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;"

I would like to know who and where those people came from?

Thanks

[kiwi_2005]

IMHO the saddest day in Jewish history was the nazi era 1933 to 1945.

Or maybe in about 73 A.D., at Masada, Elazar ben Yair, the Zealots' leader, decided that all the Jewish defenders should commit suicide instead of giving up to the Romans who were besieging them. The men killed their wives and children, and then committed suicide; 930 people died. Today, the people of Masada are revered by most Jews and Masada is one of the most sacred places in Israel and Judaism.

Theirs probably many more but those two stay in my memory.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

IMHO the saddest day in Jewish history was the nazi era 1933 to 1945.

Are we talking about saddest day or saddest historical events?

The saddest day is definitely the 9th of the Jewish lunar calendar month of Av, which falls out during August or September every year. The day is the anniversary of the sin of the spies in Sinai, that resulted in G-d's punishing the children of Israel by keeping them 40 years in the dessert, rather than leading them to the land of Israel immediately.

This day is also the anniversaries of the destruction of both the 1st and 2nd Temples in Jerusalem, resulting both times in the deaths of millions and the Jews expulsion each time from Israel.

The Nazi invasion of Poland, triggering WWII, began around the time of the 9th of Av.

The day is also the anniversary for the expulsion of all Jews from Spain in 1492, under the order of the king and queen.

I might also add it is the anniversary of the expulsion of the Jews from Gush Katif, Gaza, last year, by their own people.

The 9th of Av is a 25 hour full fast day, accompanied by several laws taken from Jewish laws in death in morning. Most of the added prayers are lamentation for the destruction of Jerusalem, the loss of the Temple and various occurrences that have since happened. Special lamentations have been composed for the holocaust.

[kiwi_2005]

I was talking about what i want to talk about.

[I-25]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?

[catar M]

Originally Posted by I-25

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?

or maybe opposite way around

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by I-25

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?

Because the Jews killed Jesus, their downfall for the rest of enterity. Jesus was not a prophet but the son the Word of God and Jews of those days couldn't believe that instead he must of been some evil dude and went out of their way to kill him - they were jealous that this one man could raise the dead, turn water into wine, walk on water and cure ppl plus also mock the Jewish beliefs - he had to go. Here was a good man that had no intention of evil yet they choose a murderer over Jesus to be saved??? Now we have christians countries siding for Jews, it shows the forgiveness the christain has, would Jews side with christain countries if it were the other way round?

[TteFAboB]

Yes, Jews have always been a minority and they have their religion chained to their families. So you could actually define them, trace them, mark them. The perfect scapegoat.

[Gizzmoe]

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This thread is heading into the wrong direction, time to close it before it gets too hot in here.