Das Boot

[stefano]

Hi to all.
Finally i have seen the movie Das Boot, directors cut, 3 hours of fantastic movie.
Well, i have to say that is maybe one the best movie i have ever seen.
I have been for these three hours totally immerged in the movie, absolutly fantastc and very good made.
It is a pitty that this movie has not get one of the nominations for the Oscar price...

But anyway, a must to have and to see, and ..BTW.. seems to be in SH3 in some of the situations...

[Myxale]

Thats only the beginnig!
You will have plently "Das Boot" nerve-whackin moments in SH. Just keep playin!

[Ula Jolly]

Is this the ONLY movie properly depicting a war and a submarine crew of ANY time?

Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

Is this the ONLY movie properly depicting a war and a submarine crew of ANY time?

No, Crimson Tide. That is much more realistic and would've won a few Oscars had it not been for the fact it was competing against the like of Dances With Wolves (I think...a major movie of the genre anyway).

Originally Posted by Kurushio

No, Crimson Tide. That is much more realistic and would've won a few Oscars had it not been for the fact it was competing against the like of Dances With Wolves (I think...a major movie of the genre anyway).

I'm sorry, Crimson Tide may have used realistic sets, but the plot and the procedures were about as realistic as a twelve-year-old in a cardboard box. That movie was pure drek.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm sorry, Crimson Tide may have used realistic sets, but the plot and the procedures were about as realistic as a twelve-year-old in a cardboard box. That movie was pure drek.

Care to elaborate?

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm sorry, Crimson Tide may have used realistic sets, but the plot and the procedures were about as realistic as a twelve-year-old in a cardboard box. That movie was pure drek.

Agreed. I served in the US Navy on Frigates (not on subs) but still. I guess for someone who hadn't served in the US Navy they might find it authentic just based on the movie sets and uniforms were pretty well done. The way the officers and crew behaved though was a bit overdone though. For instance, James Gandolfini's character making that black petty officer do push ups on the bus. No one in the military can order you to do push ups for punishment after basic training for potential medical trouble (IE. junior person may have chronic case of trick shoulder). All punishments have to be recommended to the CO first and the CO has the final say so. For enlisted men it usually goes to DRB(board of chiefs, senior chiefs, and master chiefs) then up to XOI(a meeting with the XO), CO's Mast(a meeting with the Captain = NOT GOOD). Any one of the below boards can choose to send it up to the next or end the case at their level. If a punishment is recommened, it still has to be reviewed and approved by the CO. Most of the time the CO will want to see you so that he/she can unleash the wrath of Hell upon you with the maximum punishment (reduction in rank, loss of half pay x 2 months, restriction to ship or barracks for 45 days)

[Ula Jolly]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

No, Crimson Tide. That is much more realistic and would've won a few Oscars had it not been for the fact it was competing against the like of Dances With Wolves (I think...a major movie of the genre anyway).

Wait... please tell me that is irony on some divine level. Crimson Tide? The 1995 Crimson Tide? Ohio sub? I damned near puked from it! I don't mean to be trying for flaming or anything, but it goes "down there", with U-571 and the rest.

[Khayman]

Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

I shall punish yee, landlubber! C'mere for spankings and popsicles!

Sorry for drifting OT, but that's a great sig!

[Egan]

Actually, my most Das Boot moment in subsims came not in Sh3 but in AOTD.

I got orders to patrol the western aproaches in my little 11A and off I went, hitting a convoy in bound for the Irish sea on my second day out. Well, those escorts saw me coming from a long ways out so down I went only to receive the mother of all depth chargings. I had dived so quick i hit the seabed at about 90 meters and lay there, badly damaged, as they hovered above throwing down more ash-cans. I tried to blow the air reserves in the ballast tanks but nothing happened - nothing at all. I got the men working on all the repairs they could do from inside the boat just to keep them busy until the air ran out and just waited until they escorts cleared off, which they did after about 40 minutes. I guess they thought i was a gonner. At this point so did I.

After 12 hours all the repairs we could do were done and, out of hope more than anything else, i tried venting the ballast tanks again. Now, I don't know whether I pressed the wrong button the first time or over the hours we spent below we fixed something vital, but this time there was a welcome hiss and - slowly - we began to rise.

I gave a little cheer but with both our periscope and hydrophones out we were rising blind with no idea what was up there. We broke the surface just after dawn on a beautiful and misty spring morning and after a few seconds giving thanks to whatever deity had got us through the night I gave orders to get us the hell outa dodge and limp home to base....

I know how the Old man felt after the misery of Gibralter. great film. The TV series is even better.

Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

Wait... please tell me that is irony on some divine level. Crimson Tide? The 1995 Crimson Tide? Ohio sub? I damned near puked from it! I don't mean to be trying for flaming or anything, but it goes "down there", with U-571 and the rest.

Would be nice if you were more specific. I hope you're not going to add "Oh, by the way...I'm Norwegian".

[Perseus]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

No, Crimson Tide. That is much more realistic and would've won a few Oscars had it not been for the fact it was competing against the like of Dances With Wolves (I think...a major movie of the genre anyway).

Crimson Tide, much more realistic...?

OMG

No way. I mean, for starters: the moment the sub loses ULF comms, just as the AEM is coming in. The screens the radio operator is watching start to flash and what not. HILARIOUS. If there's no comms anymore, a message is (at best) stopped in mid-sentence. Your screens do not start flashing, nor do they try to imitate a graphic hoola-hoop. And then there's a load of other rubbish - AAARGH, I'm not even going into that. I'm still embarrassed about the 10 euro I spent to see that *cough* movie *cough* in the cinema.

Realistic movies - erm, try "Hostile Waters" or hell, "Hunt for Red October". Sure, there's some silly Hollywood-stuff in the latter but about 95% is pretty darn accurate.

Right, here's my attempt at answering three threads in one post...so no more complaining.

Sailor Steve:

What bugged me about Crimson Tide was the relationships between the officers. On a ship the Captain is the next thing to God: no one questions his decisions or his authority. That said, a good captain know and trusts his executive officer, and the fights they had were nothing like anything that would happen in the U.S. Navy. The plot hinges on the fact that the screenwriter knows nothing of naval protocol or procedures.

If the Capatin is "God" then the XO would be "Deputy-God" right? Listen, if the Captain was supposed to run a sub with God-like status, they wouldn't put an XO there who is supposed to CONCUR with him.
No one questions the Captain's authority? What about if the Captain orders every submariner smear grease-oil on their feet and slide the length of the boat whilst making seal noises? weeeeeee Would nobody question him then...you know, say he developed a psychosis by banging his head on the Playboy-stash cupboard? In other words, what would happen if the Captain attempted to launch 200 nukes over Russia without proper, unequivocal proof such a launch was authorised.

That's what Crimson Tide was about. It was also made to highlight that before 1995, boomer Captains had the ability to launch nukes independently of any outside manipulation/input. Scary thought!

Perseus:

No way. I mean, for starters: the moment the sub loses ULF comms, just as the AEM is coming in. The screens the radio operator is watching start to flash and what not. HILARIOUS. If there's no comms anymore, a message is (at best) stopped in mid-sentence. Your screens do not start flashing, nor do they try to imitate a graphic hoola-hoop. And then there's a load of other rubbish - AAARGH, I'm not even going into that. I'm still embarrassed about the 10 euro I spent to see that *cough* movie *cough* in the cinema.

Realistic movies - erm, try "Hostile Waters" or hell, "Hunt for Red October". Sure, there's some silly Hollywood-stuff in the latter but about 95% is pretty darn accurate.

Trivial details. It's a fact of movie making that they always "pretty up" consoles, HUDs etc for the audience. Let's face it, military electronic stuff is boring...people see a movie to be entertained. So it's pretty unfair of you to say it's unrealistic just because of this. And you're forgetting something...REAL LIFE INSTRUMENTS ARE FRIGGING CLASSIFIED!!!

And you can't say Hunt For Red October, the movie, is more realistic then Crimson Tide.:rotfl: Do you really think the interior of a sub looks like that? Resembles more Star Trek then a Typhoon based fictional sub. Which reminds me, you do realise the Red October wasn't a real sub, yes? Caterpillar tehehe...

Ula Jolly:

Sean Connery is just dead flat sexy.

I hope you're a girl. :hmm:

Probably never won an Oscar, because the dialogue translated in English was very badly done. Most things either don't make sense or are really cheesey...plus it sounds like they recorded the English version in my garage (on top of the old lawn mower). Now, if it could win the Best International Film award is another matter.

Though even here I am a bit dubious about the acting. Some of them are either completely insane or are overacting. The main characters for the most part are fine...but it's too cliche'd. You have the melancholic captain, the completely nuts warrant officer (or whatever he is), the really anal and wet behind the ears junior Officer, the old rusty hermit-like chief engineer, and the oh-I'm-so-excited-about-the-whole-thing journalist who then-realises-it's-hell-out-there.

Let's face it, the film's good but it's cheesey as hell...and the characters are cartoons.

[Khayman]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

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Let's face it, the film's good but it's cheesey as hell...and the characters are cartoons.

Well one of the crew of U-123 said of Buchheim; "He is truly crazy. He made only one trip in a U-Boat, as a photojournalist. How could he presume to write about U-Boatmen? Some things are factual but most are not"

He's wrong in that Buchheim was on one late war patrol IIRC, a patrol where it's suggested he got the negative tone for the movie and book. Anyways opinion among U-Boat commanders and men is divided. What really matters is that it's a great movie, despite it's faults.