Iraqi's wishes are no argument to leave troops in Iraq

Skybird · 09-28-06, 07:11 PM

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...t=250&lb=hmpg1

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Still wanting to stay? If I were an America soldier, I would feel pissed from two directions: Washington and Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...601721_pf.html

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"There will be lakes of blood," Kassi said. "Of course we want the Americans to leave, but if they do, it will be a great disaster for us."

"I really don't know what I want. If the Americans leave right now, there is going to be a massacre in Iraq. But if they don't leave, there will be more problems. From my point of view, though, it would be better for them to go out today than tomorrow."

Eh? Still wanting to stay? What's wrong with you? Can't you listen? just killing time, maybe?

mog · 09-28-06, 08:21 PM

The (democratically elected) Iraqi government wants US forces to stay. The US is obliged to comply until the Iraqi security forces are competent.

It's as simple as that.

Onkel Neal · 09-28-06, 09:51 PM

We'll leave Iraq when Iran is good and ready to be invaded.

Yahoshua · 09-28-06, 10:47 PM

Well then, I guess we have to respect the Iraqi wishes......

Camaero · 09-28-06, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Well then, I guess we have to respect the Iraqi wishes......

yahoo!

Yahoshua · 09-28-06, 11:23 PM

On a more serious note, our time in Iran would be better spent in completely destroying the leadership system and military that is already in place.....let the warlords have it.

When the warlords have taken over, we can hit them again......in about 10 years or so Iraqis will invade Iran for us....no problems at all (for us that is).

NEON DEON · 09-28-06, 11:45 PM

"Polling was conducted September 1-4 with a nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults."

So I am supposed to believe this poll is a good representation of what the Iraqi people want.

Why?

Is it because it is based on the opinions of 1,150 Iraqi's?

LIKE OH MY GOD!

LIKE THAT IS LIKE ONE ONE HUNDRETH OF A PERCENT (.01%) OF THE ENTIRE ADULT POPULATION OF IRAQ.

What would really be kewl if they pin mark those 1,150 adult Iraqis who were polled on a map.

I am guessing they would range from the east end of Mosul to the west end.

91 % of Sunni polled want the U.S. to hit the road within the year.

What did the ousted Bath party consist of again?

I would also like to know if that wonderfully representative poll took the time out to make sure that only 35% of the Iraqi adults polled were Sunni.

Skybird · 09-29-06, 04:30 AM

Wether a sub group of a given population is representative and allows projections and conclusions about the main population, or not, is not decided by the answer to the question if you subjectively have the impression that it is a huge or small number, but by statistical criterions that can be calculated.

And Mog, probably no one in Iraq has less to say than the government. Sunnis don't like it. Shias don't like it. Kurds don't like it. It is considered to be deeply corrupt and it's organs are infested with insurgent agents and sympathizers. It is comletely impotent. You may rate a government as more important than the people, and put it'S will over the will of the people. That is the definition of totalitarianism. I think the opinion of the people is more important than that of some (corrupt) leaders. That's what is called democracy.

"Until Iraqi security forces are competent." I like the sound of that. Admitted, it has the sound of eternity.

mog · 09-29-06, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And Mog, probably no one in Iraq has less to say than the government. Sunnis don't like it. Shias don't like it. Kurds don't like it. It is considered to be deeply corrupt and it's organs are infested with insurgent agents and sympathizers. It is comletely impotent. You may rate a government as more important than the people, and put it'S will over the will of the people. That is the definition of totalitarianism. I think the opinion of the people is more important than that of some (corrupt) leaders. That's what is called democracy.

A democratically elected government doesn't become totalitarian the minute it makes an unpopular decision. Of course the average Iraqi doesn't like the presence of US troops. They are ashamed by it. However, the fact is that your average Iraqi in the street isn't responsible for running the country. The government is, and they are very much aware that Iraq needs US troops to survive.

Far from totalitarianism, the system by which a government acts on behalf of the people, i.e. representative democracy, is the one employed by every free Western nation. If the Iraqis are so desperate to see US troops leave, then they will vote for candidates who will work toward that end.

SkvyWvr · 09-29-06, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Wether a sub group of a given population is representative and allows projections and conclusions about the main population, or not, is not decided by the answer to the question if you subjectively have the impression that it is a huge or small number, but by statistical criterions that can be calculated.

And Mog, probably no one in Iraq has less to say than the government. Sunnis don't like it. Shias don't like it. Kurds don't like it. It is considered to be deeply corrupt and it's organs are infested with insurgent agents and sympathizers. It is comletely impotent. You may rate a government as more important than the people, and put it'S will over the will of the people. That is the definition of totalitarianism. I think the opinion of the people is more important than that of some (corrupt) leaders. That's what is called democracy.

"Until Iraqi security forces are competent." I like the sound of that. Admitted, it has the sound of eternity.

Projections. Is that like a WAG?

goldorak · 09-30-06, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

We'll leave Iraq when Iran is good and ready to be invaded.

Isn't that the plain and simple truth.

Fish · 09-30-06, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

We'll leave Iraq when Iran is good and ready to be invaded.

Isn't that the plain and simple truth.

In the mean time.

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Immacolata · 10-01-06, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

We'll leave Iraq when Iran is good and ready to be invaded.

Hehe, the exit strategy? From Iran it is a short jog to Jalalabad anyhow ^_^ Might pay old Ozzie Sinbin a courtesy visit.

09-28-06, 10:47 PM	#4
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well then, I guess we have to respect the Iraqi wishes...... __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

09-28-06, 11:23 PM	#6
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	On a more serious note, our time in Iran would be better spent in completely destroying the leadership system and military that is already in place.....let the warlords have it. When the warlords have taken over, we can hit them again......in about 10 years or so Iraqis will invade Iran for us....no problems at all (for us that is). __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

09-29-06, 04:30 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,619 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Wether a sub group of a given population is representative and allows projections and conclusions about the main population, or not, is not decided by the answer to the question if you subjectively have the impression that it is a huge or small number, but by statistical criterions that can be calculated. And Mog, probably no one in Iraq has less to say than the government. Sunnis don't like it. Shias don't like it. Kurds don't like it. It is considered to be deeply corrupt and it's organs are infested with insurgent agents and sympathizers. It is comletely impotent. You may rate a government as more important than the people, and put it'S will over the will of the people. That is the definition of totalitarianism. I think the opinion of the people is more important than that of some (corrupt) leaders. That's what is called democracy. "Until Iraqi security forces are competent." I like the sound of that. Admitted, it has the sound of eternity. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 09-29-06 at 04:55 AM.

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09-28-06, 08:21 PM	#2
mog Medic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The (democratically elected) Iraqi government wants US forces to stay. The US is obliged to comply until the Iraqi security forces are competent. It's as simple as that.

09-28-06, 09:51 PM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	We'll leave Iraq when Iran is good and ready to be invaded.

09-28-06, 11:45 PM	#7
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	"Polling was conducted September 1-4 with a nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults." So I am supposed to believe this poll is a good representation of what the Iraqi people want. Why? Is it because it is based on the opinions of 1,150 Iraqi's? LIKE OH MY GOD! LIKE THAT IS LIKE ONE ONE HUNDRETH OF A PERCENT (.01%) OF THE ENTIRE ADULT POPULATION OF IRAQ. What would really be kewl if they pin mark those 1,150 adult Iraqis who were polled on a map. I am guessing they would range from the east end of Mosul to the west end. 91 % of Sunni polled want the U.S. to hit the road within the year. What did the ousted Bath party consist of again? I would also like to know if that wonderfully representative poll took the time out to make sure that only 35% of the Iraqi adults polled were Sunni.