The future of europe?/Islam threads (Merged)

[Fish]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...0267_1,00.html

[STEED]

Immigration is out of control in the U.K the immigration service have no idea of the numbers unlike are stupid government, Tony Blair who claims it's under control. The U.K will continual to go down the tubes unless less we get a strong leader who is not afraid to stand up, as for the article it's all happening now and will only get worst.

[Skybird]

Latest "Micro Census" (sort of a miniature census) in Germany from some days ago showed that 20% of people living in Germany are of not-German origin now, some having but most having not German passports. That is far more than was expected. Every German today - is not really a German. The growth rate of Muslim sub-cultures also showed to be much higher than official policy expected to see. Especially this news is tried to be hidden now. The scandal accoridng to the left is not that immigration level and Islamic expansion is so ghigh and so fast, but that it is not supported by giving them passports much earlier. Serious, that is the dispute currently.


Currently, around every fifth person in France is not only not originally French, but Muslim. Add to these the non-Muslim foreigners. every third baby being born is said to be a Muslim baby currently. It was calculated some days ago that in 40 years at the latest the vast Majority of population in France will not be European French anymore, but will be Muslim immigrants. Germany is not far behind.

It was said some days ago that Norway currently comes that quickly under Pakistani influence that currently more planes fly from Norway to Pakistan, than from Norway to North America.

It was reported in news reports of the last 5-7 days that Italy and Spain additionally to the already coming immigrants have to expect more immigration from Africa, not longer counting by the tens and hundreds of thousands, but by the many milliosn over the next years. The vast majority of these will be Muslim.

Yesterday the new head of the major British Muslim association was quoted in an interview where he used superficially logical argument how Muslim arranged marriages could help the young and confused ones to have better marriages and less divorces, and how Muslim ethics would help to strengthen Britsh ethics and moral values. He also said in open and very clear words without hiding that he wants the British to adopt to Muslim habits and rules, that certain aspects of public life should be tailored to Muslim likes and dislikes and that a stronger Islam in this way would help Britain. I must admit, that guy is clever. He made it sound logical, and sweet as honey. An extremely dangerous man. the political left will love him.

The EU ministres today again have shown rubber spines towards Turkey and have brought down Cypriotic resistance to Turkey’s refusal to recognize Cyprus. The ultimate precondition that Turkey until this date today has to normalize it’s relations to Cyprus has been given up without need and without compensation, becasue Turkey did not compoly. That is the kind of negotiations that I feared and said so one year ago. A clear, total, and complete failure for the West. Why do they keep on the negotiation process anyway? Obviously only to blind the public. The outcome already is decided.

Last week the major economical association of turkey have attacked Eogan and has accused him of hindering secular reforms in Turkey, but spending almost all his time now with pushing a hidden fundamentalistic islamic agenda that now is not so hidden anymore. One must be blind or an idiot not to see that Erdogan is not only a “moderate” fundamentalist, but a pro-Islamic hardliner. Currently the Turkish military is the only thing that is standing stubbornly between the fundamentalists, and the weakening and slwoly retreating secular system in Turkey. When the military stepped in two times in last weeks to ban pro-fundamentalist tendencies, it was sharply attacked by Erdogan, and more importantly - it immediately got criticised by the idiots-in-chief of Western governments as well. They want it to retreat and allow “democracy” – which essentially means open ways and no resistance to fundamental Islam in Turkey, and generally in Europe as well. Democracy and Islam seem to be very much ojne and the same thing for a major part of European politicians today. Die werden sich noch wundern.

Birthrates amongst Muslim colonists that have already taken ground in Europe are pushing Islamic population sizes fastly, while birth rates of native and non-Muslim europeans are declining.

The situation compares to that of Byzantium. While West Rome was busy with Middle and Northern Europe, Byzantium, after the split, suffered from two major crisis that finally sealed it'S fall. First, an ever growing paralysis of adminstration and inner policy, coming from an exploding bureaucracy that did not fight but increase the grwoing heap of laws and needed reforms that were not executed. that way, it strangled itself and lost fiancial freedom to act efficiently, and tune it'S administrative structure ( a failure that compares to that of the Osmans later, who showed the same inability). The second was the many decades of wars with the Sassanides from Persia that pushed into the ex-roman sphere of influence, a war that Byzantium was less and lesser able to fight. That way weakend in two ways, the attack for conquest by Islam was guaranteed to succeed.

The Eu is very much like Byzantium. We too have a monumental bureaucracy that hinders the state more and more, and fiancial debts and dependencies make politicians sign more and more stupid compromises that in then long run omnly make it worse. We too loose freedom to act efficiently and do what needs to be done and stop those that try to conquer our homes and places, with masses of immigrants as the primary weapon to overload our national integrity and make our social and cultural systems brake down.

Some pirates in the Mediterranean are my smallest concern, seen that way. They only add to the overall mess. I'm sure that some uncorrectable good-doers in our middle will even hinder us to fight with weapons against such pirates once they have become the rule.

You know what? Slowly but surely I come to the conclusion that this Europe is really not worth to be defended anymore. It stinks like a rotten cadaver, and attracts all kinds of carrion eaters for that reason. It strangles itself, and with it's last breath it calls: "Hooray, we are fantastic!" Maybe it deserves nothing better, then. A victim of aggression that does not defend itself, is said to be prey.

Innumerable centuries that led to cultural, legal and philosophical acchievements that gave reason for hope and optimism - but all in vain. Our ancestors must turn in their graves.

[Torplexed]

Terry Jones, the former Monty Python star, meanwhile, has spoken up for the barbarians’ technological and social achievements in a television series and has written:

"We actually owe far more to the so-called ‘barbarians’ than we do to the men in togas."


This from a member of the comedy troupe who gave us 'Spam". :p

[Yahoshua]

good post skybird....

[The Avon Lady]

Skybird, your post's text is showing up in blue. For those of us using the default forum skin, it's difficult to read. Could you please remove any font or color related tags?

On the subject: Waiting for Churchill or Waiting for Godot?

[Yahoshua]

That was an excellent article Avon Lady......

Europe is coming to her senses, and she will wake to realize her terrible nightmare.

Perhaps a Churchill will come along, but in todays' world, after the smoke has cleared, will that Churhill be the one we want to keep in power or will he become the sole domineering power over all of Europe? If that is even a possibility to decide his position at that point.


It is time to end the war.

[STEED]

The clock is ticking for Europe, I suspect the solution to the answer will cause even more problems.

[joea]

Yes in searching for a Churchill to solve this problem you might get a Hitler or as what actually happened a Stalin.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by joea

Yes in searching for a Churchill to solve this problem you might get a Hitler or as what actually happened a Stalin.

Well, you get what you're looking for.

My motto: Shop carefully!

[Skybird]

Faint heart never won fair lady. Gain back the initiave, at all costs. Time is running out. There will be no revanche match once we lost. We have nothing to loose anymore.

[Iku-turso]

Excellent post,Skybird. I have allways been heavily anti-EU.
Thats the way,close borders and mind your own business and clean the mess were we are allready.
And use landmines...

[Yahoshua]

I feel all warm inside reading these posts........the voices in my head tell me to clean my rifle and buy more ammo.

[Polak]

I have 3 things I want to say.

1. Skybird we should go out and take a beer sometime.
2. I am really happy that the old eastern block(Poland) isnt suffering from the tragic problems of western europe, but during the last couple of years I have started to notice more imigrants. Mostly Asians but also a lot of muslims from the middle east. I am alsoheavily anti-EU, I believe that the gole of the EU is to destroy the once so beautiful Europe.
3. I am currently living in Sweden so I know what you are talking about, the "muslim problem" is also terrible here. The name mohamed/muhamed is among the top 10 names for new born babies here in Sweden. I dont know what has happened with western europe, why didn't people react to this islamisation earlier? People are still not doing anything here in Sweden. I, myself will vote fo a popular nationalist party here in Sweden during the next election. I believe that I owe this to Sweden, and to Europe.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Polak

I have 3 things I want to say.

1. Skybird we should go out and take a beer sometime.
2. I am really happy that the old eastern block(Poland) isnt suffering from the tragic problems of western europe, but during the last couple of years I have started to notice more imigrants. Mostly Asians but also a lot of muslims from the middle east. I am alsoheavily anti-EU, I believe that the gole of the EU is to destroy the once so beautiful Europe.
3. I am currently living in Sweden so I know what you are talking about, the "muslim problem" is also terrible here. The name mohamed/muhamed is among the top 10 names for new born babies here in Sweden. I dont know what has happened with western europe, why didn't people react to this islamisation earlier? People are still not doing anything here in Sweden. I, myself will vote fo a popular nationalist party here in Sweden during the next election. I believe that I owe this to Sweden, and to Europe.

You may want to check your option three. In Germany, Nazis and right wing extremists openly hail Ahmadinejad and follow close cooperation with Islamist organization, because of the denial of the holocaust and both Nazism and Islam aim ant the destruction of Western constitutional fundaments and national structures. That I am openly hostile towards Islam does not automatically mean that I have sympathies for right wing extremists. I still consider myself a man of the "centre". It's just that Nazism/fascism and Islam are so much off-centre and share so intense totalitarian tendencies that I cannot avoid needing to fight against them BOTH.