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Old 05-16-06, 01:26 PM   #1
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Your in command of an american warship your already coming under attack by enamy ships not a big threat, when you detect an aircraft sqwarking a millatery code your intel tells you its an F14.

Just before you make your choice you hear "Altitude declining" and "captain should we engauge?"

What do you do?
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Old 05-16-06, 01:42 PM   #2
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I'd hold fire until the situation got clearer.
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Old 05-16-06, 01:53 PM   #3
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An F-14 isn’t much of a direct threat to a warship at sea. I’d warn them off (and call in the closest CAP aircraft) and if they close to within 10 nm I’d then fire.
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Old 05-16-06, 01:56 PM   #4
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Your in command of an american warship your already coming under attack by enamy ships not a big threat, when you detect an aircraft sqwarking a millatery code your intel tells you its an F14.

Just before you make your choice you hear "Altitude declining" and "captain should we engauge?"

What do you do?
Thinking of a particular incident Kap?
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Old 05-16-06, 01:56 PM   #5
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Hold off for a second.

Opps forgot then shoot it down.
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Old 05-16-06, 01:59 PM   #6
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He's been watching "seconds from disaster"


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Old 05-16-06, 02:01 PM   #7
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Yes, I would annihilate it.

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Old 05-16-06, 02:24 PM   #8
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Yes i have been watching TV and that programme however every person is diffrent so the question is would you fire?

As for the F14 being a threat do get real that thing can have guided and un guided bombs to launch at a ship also missiles, one thing we lernt from the falklands war was never underestimate the antiques!

Lernd in WW2 to the bismarks cost.
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Old 05-16-06, 02:27 PM   #9
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If there are no friendlies on a mission it would be engaged immediately. If there are some up, everything would be locked on until further confirmation can be made, if it twitched it would be blown to hell.
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Your in command of an american warship your already coming under attack by enamy ships not a big threat, when you detect an aircraft sqwarking a millatery code your intel tells you its an F14.

Just before you make your choice you hear "Altitude declining" and "captain should we engauge?"

What do you do?
I would launch the alert-5 spellchecker, the alert-15 grammar re-structurer, the alert-30 Russian-to-English interpreter, and let them sort it out together.

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Old 05-16-06, 02:32 PM   #11
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Shoot it down. Isnt Iran the only country flying them?
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Old 05-16-06, 02:50 PM   #12
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Where does the incident take place? What nations are close?
What are my ships capabilities?
What are the hostile ships capabilities?
How is the naval battle going so far?
How is the enemy ship behaving so far?
What is the ROE?
What report do I have on friendly forces in the region?
What hostile nations are reported to operate the F14? What is their weaponry?
Is there reason to assume that the plane may carry nuclear weapons?
Is there reason to assume that it's pilot may be a kamikaze?
Is there radio contact to the F14? If so, what does the pilot say?
What has been the flight profile like, as far as radar has logged it?
What experience do I have had in the hours or days before in the operational theatre?
And, very important:
Does my own nation still operate F14s?

And maybe some other questions that I just cannot imagine.
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As for the F14 being a threat do get real that thing can have guided and un guided bombs to launch at a ship also missiles, one thing we lernt from the falklands war was never underestimate the antiques!
The F-14 can't launch ASMs, they only missile that could possibly be a threat would be a AGM-112 Sidearm and that has a max range of only 8 nm. GBU bombs have a range of about 8-10 nm (Thus my statement of at what distance I would engage) and the target was descending meaning its maximum range for the bombs is decreasing. A 10 nm buffer I think gives sufficient time to eliminate the F-14 before the bombs hit and since they are guided by the aircraft they will go dumb when its destroyed, fairly slim chance of hitting a moving ship from 10 miles away with a dumb(ed) bomb.

And of course USN close in defense are a wee bit better than what the RN had in the Falklands which I think was just some dude with a Lee-Enfield.

Remember the F-14 is a Fighter/Inteceptor. Hell I don’t even think the Bombcat was ever exported (to the one export customer the F-14 had)!
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Old 05-16-06, 02:57 PM   #14
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Ok these ships firing at you are small light armed patrol craft.

You are an american aegis cruiser (Namely vincennes)

Incident takes place in the straight of hormouz or near there

your forward gun is jammed and youve broken orders to no leave your patrol area Your now assisitng a fellow cruiseryou feel compelled to deal with the situation as your helicopter was fired at

Iran only flys the F14's

ROE is fire if fired upon or if you feel a target is a threat or poses a threat.

kamikasi and nuclear yes

Many messages have been put out with no responce

only one friendly ship that is under attack is in the area your fleet commander is having tea and buiscuites in barhain

And in this era your nation does fly the F14 however you have tracked this aircraft all the way from bander abbas and cannot be one of yours.
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Old 05-16-06, 02:59 PM   #15
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Skybird thats just way to many questions. Have all guns locked on to the F14 tell him hes in a restricted area and if he doesn't buggar off within 30secs hes a dead man
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