No Map Contacts = Unrealistic?

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 04:17 PM

To an extent I believe that no map contacts is unrealistic, if it is the realism feature I am thinking about.

First of all, isn't it reasonable that as long as the enemy ship is in sight, you would have him drawn on the TDC map? With no map contacts the map is completely blank and since you have no tools to draw on the TDC map you cant map the course of an NME ship and plot an intercept course. Doesn't this make the TDC map completely useless? I could be talking out my ass.

CCIP · 10-17-05, 04:27 PM

I play WaW, and going by the rules there - no map contacts are used at all.

Looking at my tonnage... I can't say I miss those marks at all :hmm:

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 04:33 PM

How do you do it? You can't draw on the TDC map and you cant pinpoint the ship well enough on the nav map to get a 90 degree shot, so you have to eyeball it? Is that how you are supposed to do it?

BTW WaW realism is Manual Targetting and Weapon officer assistance, right?

Beery · 10-17-05, 04:41 PM

I used to do it all the time with no map updates and 100% manual targeting completely at the periscope - no map reference at all. If you can judge the course of your target within a reasonable range of accuracy it's very easy to line up a shot. Get perpendicular to your estimate of the target's course. After that, hydrophones and periscope are all you should need. You can always tell when the ship is at 90 degrees to your boat. Fire at that point and it's hard to miss.

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 04:43 PM

Can you give me a little more detail? I'm not doing that bad myself, I just want to be BETTER at it. When you use the hydrophone in the TDC, do you get the black line that tells you where it is?

And what about my WaW question?

Beery · 10-17-05, 04:58 PM

I don't know about WaW - I never used it.

I used to do it without any contact lines or anything. You don't need them. Here's what I do. I get a hydrophone contact and I approach it until I get a visual contact. I then dive and mark the position on my world map. If the target is heading away I do an 'end around', marking his position every few minutes until I get a good cours for him. If he's coming towards me I get an approximate course and dive and position myself to get a 90 degree shot. In both cases, once I'm in position I stop and listen with hydrophones. I make small corrections to my angle of attack and get to about 1000 yards off his projected course. Then I wait and listen until he's a few degrees short of being dead ahead. Then I pop up the periscope, take a Range reading, put in the angle (which should be approaching 90), and calculate the speed. This takes 30 seconds max. Then I update the angle to his present position and fire at least two torpedoes with a 5 degree spread.

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 05:02 PM

Pretty complicated. I wish someone would FRAP it and post a video.

Beery · 10-17-05, 05:09 PM

Actually the only reason I now use the (RUb style) map updates feature is to help me gauge the positions of enemy destroyers when I'm under attack. The game's hydrophone is just not realistic enough to give a good idea of range.

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 05:30 PM

Whats RUB style map updates? I'm not familiar with RUB

EkimRis · 10-17-05, 06:06 PM

I just started using rub so I may be wrong or a bit off, but I think the rub style map contacts is just black boxes

don1reed · 10-17-05, 06:31 PM

Twitchy--

Goto Beery's website and DL RUB. It's his fantastic MOD. Click on his www symbol and it'll take you there..

cheers,

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 06:42 PM

I dunno the concept of "real u boats" sounds very scary to me.
Anyway, I'm playing at WaW realism to get used to it if they lemme in.

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 06:42 PM

BTW beery's website has been down since I first discovered this forum.

Thanks for the tips! I think I got it covered now, I just sent 30000 tons down to Davy Jones' Locker O_o

don1reed · 10-17-05, 07:25 PM

WaW uses Rub, btw.

goto:

http://www.beerymod.com/

Twitchy · 10-17-05, 07:30 PM

TWITCHY SMASH! BEERY WEB SITE NO WORK

10-17-05, 04:17 PM	#1
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No Map Contacts = Unrealistic? To an extent I believe that no map contacts is unrealistic, if it is the realism feature I am thinking about. First of all, isn't it reasonable that as long as the enemy ship is in sight, you would have him drawn on the TDC map? With no map contacts the map is completely blank and since you have no tools to draw on the TDC map you cant map the course of an NME ship and plot an intercept course. Doesn't this make the TDC map completely useless? I could be talking out my ass.

10-17-05, 04:27 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I play WaW, and going by the rules there - no map contacts are used at all. Looking at my tonnage... I can't say I miss those marks at all :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

10-17-05, 04:41 PM	#4
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I used to do it all the time with no map updates and 100% manual targeting completely at the periscope - no map reference at all. If you can judge the course of your target within a reasonable range of accuracy it's very easy to line up a shot. Get perpendicular to your estimate of the target's course. After that, hydrophones and periscope are all you should need. You can always tell when the ship is at 90 degrees to your boat. Fire at that point and it's hard to miss. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

10-17-05, 04:58 PM	#6
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't know about WaW - I never used it. I used to do it without any contact lines or anything. You don't need them. Here's what I do. I get a hydrophone contact and I approach it until I get a visual contact. I then dive and mark the position on my world map. If the target is heading away I do an 'end around', marking his position every few minutes until I get a good cours for him. If he's coming towards me I get an approximate course and dive and position myself to get a 90 degree shot. In both cases, once I'm in position I stop and listen with hydrophones. I make small corrections to my angle of attack and get to about 1000 yards off his projected course. Then I wait and listen until he's a few degrees short of being dead ahead. Then I pop up the periscope, take a Range reading, put in the angle (which should be approaching 90), and calculate the speed. This takes 30 seconds max. Then I update the angle to his present position and fire at least two torpedoes with a 5 degree spread. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

10-17-05, 05:09 PM	#8
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually the only reason I now use the (RUb style) map updates feature is to help me gauge the positions of enemy destroyers when I'm under attack. The game's hydrophone is just not realistic enough to give a good idea of range. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

10-17-05, 04:33 PM	#3
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How do you do it? You can't draw on the TDC map and you cant pinpoint the ship well enough on the nav map to get a 90 degree shot, so you have to eyeball it? Is that how you are supposed to do it? BTW WaW realism is Manual Targetting and Weapon officer assistance, right?

10-17-05, 04:43 PM	#5
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can you give me a little more detail? I'm not doing that bad myself, I just want to be BETTER at it. When you use the hydrophone in the TDC, do you get the black line that tells you where it is? And what about my WaW question?

10-17-05, 05:02 PM	#7
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Pretty complicated. I wish someone would FRAP it and post a video.

10-17-05, 05:30 PM	#9
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Whats RUB style map updates? I'm not familiar with RUB

10-17-05, 06:06 PM	#10
EkimRis Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 11 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I just started using rub so I may be wrong or a bit off, but I think the rub style map contacts is just black boxes

10-17-05, 06:31 PM	#11
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Twitchy-- Goto Beery's website and DL RUB. It's his fantastic MOD. Click on his www symbol and it'll take you there.. cheers, __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

10-17-05, 06:42 PM	#12
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I dunno the concept of "real u boats" sounds very scary to me. Anyway, I'm playing at WaW realism to get used to it if they lemme in.

10-17-05, 07:25 PM	#14
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	WaW uses Rub, btw. goto: http://www.beerymod.com/ __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

10-17-05, 07:30 PM	#15
Twitchy Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	TWITCHY SMASH! BEERY WEB SITE NO WORK

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