New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !

[Sixpack]

'Israel is occupying holy muslim land'.

Like a broken record those Iranian arseclowns keep repeating the old islamic political core-message. However it's been a while since that came from government level. Go figure.

I have had it with that crazy religion. Retarded and moronic. And I dont care if I insulted Konovalov or anyone else calling himself 'muslim'.

Another example: I started a navigation course (sailing) and there is a muslim student (30 y old) in the small group. The teacher had travelled the globe for maritime work and technical stuff. In class he told this guy: I did the water in Mekka, so people can drink fresh water there. In utter disbelief the moron cried out in reply: But YOU cant come there. You're not a muslim !!! The teacher replied: Forget it ! As a matter of fact: The King gave me a golden lighter because he liked me so much !

I bit my tongue as not to tell the muslim: "Hey freakin goatherd, you are allowed to live HERE, aren't ya ?....."

The true intent of the Iranian nuke program should now be obvious. As is the true attitude of muslims in the West.

Stop the terrorist supporting region-destabilizing bastards. It's war, and that's too bad, but it's reality.

Dubiya: Sorry for doubting ya now and then....

[darksythe]

Either way you look at it Iranians with nuclear devices scare me..

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

I have had it with that crazy religion. Retarded and moronic. And I dont care if I insulted Konovalov or anyone else calling himself 'muslim'.

Sorry to hear it.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

I have had it with that crazy religion. Retarded and moronic.

It´s the people, not the religion!!!

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

It´s the people, not the religion!!!

It's the people AND the religion.

Anyway, there is nothing new under the sun.

[Terrax]

I see you're still politically correct as ever Sixpack .


While I think all religions have retarded and moronic aspects to them, the Christians and Muslims have been fighting (directly and indirectly) for thousands of years. When the Christians rapidly spread across the planet, they peacefully converted all who would listen, and forcefully those who wouldn't. The Muslims, for the most part stayed home, and as a result Christians were the majority, and Islam and other religions were the minority. Now, as Muslim countries become rich, their citizens are traveling the world converting all who will listen, slowly but steadily eating away at the Christian majority. Some are preaching peace, some are preaching war. Muslim countries are also buying better weapons, including nuclear weapons as they, ironically, become richer selling oil to Christian counties.

I think about 10 - 25 years from now, this will all come to a boiling point. All the major players on both sides will have WMD, and will get down to business of solving this centuries old conflict for good.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Terrax

I The Muslims, for the most part stayed home

Home? Ever hear of Andalusia?

When in Islamic history and how did Islam spread from Arabia to India, Asyria, Egypt, N. Africa - all the way to Morocco and to much of southern and eastern Europe?

[Terrax]

No, I've never heard of Andalusia, but I will see what I can find. I've done some research, but I'm definitely no expert on Islam, let alone its history. I've read some of your posts in other threads, and you are obviously far more knowledgeable on the subject than I.

When I said the Muslims stayed home, I didn't mean that literally. While some Christian countries were scrambling to build vast empires and spread their religion, Islam's spread was more slow and gradual. Islam has gradually spread over time to the countries you listed, and now, most are firmly Islamic counties. In the last 25 years, air travel has become more common in those countries, allowing more Muslims to travel to counties where Christians have been for hundreds of years. That's why I think it's spreading to the rest of the world faster now that it ever has before.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Terrax

When I said the Muslims stayed home, I didn't mean that literally. While some Christian countries were scrambling to build vast empires and spread their religion, Islam's spread was more slow and gradual.

Islam was founded by Mohamed around 610. Spain was invaded by Muslims in 711.

Not bad for a small sect that started off in the Arabian peninsula and had no trains or planes to expedite their movement.

[Kissaki]

If you focus on only one side, naturally you're going to have a one-sided view. I could choose to focus on the Inquisition, or the Crusades, or Charlemagne or Olav Haraldson, and come to the conclusion that Christianity is an intolerant, hateful and extremely violent religion. However, then I would have to ignore the other, ideological aspects of it. Sure, I could pick the most violent quotes from the Bible I could find to make the argument that Christian ideology is inherently violent, but you'll find anything if you look hard enough. To blame it on religion lacks reflection, when there are clearly peaceful interpretations as well.

Using Iran as the stock example of what Islam represents is particularly unfortunate. Not even the Iranian people themselves are happy with their fanatical government. Back when Iran had a secular government, they were among the most liberal of all Muslim countries, and that spirit is still firmly rooted in many Iranians.

As for this quote:

I bit my tongue as not to tell the muslim: "Hey freakin goatherd, you are allowed to live HERE, aren't ya ?....."

I don't know what to say. Mekka is a holy city, and the mosque and the city itself are indeed off-limits to non-Muslims. And why not? That's their prerogative. Christians and Jews also have various dos and don'ts. And you'll find examples of exclusion in all major religions.

Here's an unrelated case: The Chinese eat cats and dogs. Many Westerners are utterly repulsed by this, and would probably react by a shocked exclamation if they found out from first-hand accounts. It is perfectly understandable to act with shock and disbelief when one is presented with something totally different to anything encountered before.

People in different parts of the world have different customs. If you can't accept that, how can you expect anyone to accept yours?

[Kissaki]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

I have had it with that crazy religion. Retarded and moronic. And I dont care if I insulted Konovalov or anyone else calling himself 'muslim'.

I just wanted to add that if you don't care if you cause offense, you have no right to be offended.

[Terrax]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Islam was founded by Mohamed around 610. Spain was invaded by Muslims in 711.

Not bad for a small sect that started off in the Arabian peninsula and had no trains or planes to expedite their movement.

Not sure if your'e just being sarcastic, but
I agree, Islam's spread has been impressive without the massive resources Christianity had. But it has had centuries to spead as far as it has.

[August]

Comparing the practices of ancient Christianity (or for that matter Judiaism, Hinduism, Buddism etc) with modern Islam is both inaccurate and unfair.

After all, what Christian city currently bans Muslims?

What Christian country tells Muslims if they practice their religion openly they'll be persecuted and murdered with at least the defacto approval from the government?

What Christian nation makes religious war on Muslims?

Bottom line here is Islam has to learn to tolerate Infidels and Pagans. This is something every major religion has had to accept and Islam will have to as well or it won't survive the century.

[Kissaki]

Originally Posted by August

Comparing the practices of ancient Christianity (or for that matter Judiaism, Hinduism, Buddism etc) with modern Islam is both inaccurate and unfair.

I was making no comparisons. Quite the contrary, I made up that example precicely because it is unfair - that was my point. Just like it's unfair to point to Iran and say, "THAT's what Islam is like", or to bring up Muslim expansion in the first millennium as a pointer to modern Islamic practices.

What Christian country tells Muslims if they practice their religion openly they'll be persecuted and murdered with at least the defacto approval from the government?

What Muslim country does? Even Iran recognizes Christians' rights to practice - what is not permitted under any circumstances, though, is for Muslims to convert to something else. But that's it.

What Christian nation makes religious war on Muslims?

Why are you talking about Christian nations, when I am talking about Islam? Islam is a religion, not a country. You should be talking about Christians, not Christian nations, or your parallells are invalid.

Bottom line here is Islam has to learn to tolerate Infidels and Pagans. This is something every major religion has had to accept and Islam will have to as well or it won't survive the century.

The Islam definition of "infidel", correct me if I'm wrong, is anyone not belonging to the "book" faiths, ie. any of the Judaeic religions. However, having friends in foreign countries are quite helpful for insight, and I'm happy to report that your views on Islam are due for a critical update. Case point: Islam has a solid foothold in parts of India, where Hinduism is dominant. An Indian friend of mine says that Hindu and Muslim neighbours get along just dandy with one another, but what's more:

Hindus are not allowed to eat cows. Muslims are not allowed to eat swine. Through cultural standards, however, they are obligated to be good guests and eat what is being served. So Hindus will go visit their Muslim friends when they feel like eating cattle, and Muslims will visit their Hindu friends when they want pork. However, bound by the aforementioned cultural standards, they are also obligated to be good hosts. So the Hindus will avoid putting pork on the menu in consideration for the Muslims, and the Muslims will avoid putting cow on the menu in consideration for the Hindus!

[Type941]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

those Iranian arseclowns

I believe the more politically correct term is towel-heads. :|\