Origin of the Black Death pandemic finally found?

[Skybird]

It killed around half of Europe's medieval population in just 7 years.



https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/15/h...scn/index.html

[Commander Wallace]

This was a fascinating read. With modern anti biotics and innoculations, we are able to effectively combat bacterial and viral infections. In the medieval period, they had none of these things nor even knew or understood what was killing them.

[Skybird]

The magic of (uncorrupted) science!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

This was a fascinating read. With modern anti biotics and innoculations, we are able to effectively combat bacterial and viral infections. In the medieval period, they had none of these things nor even knew or understood what was killing them.

Precisely

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

This was a fascinating read. With modern anti biotics and innoculations, we are able to effectively combat bacterial and viral infections. In the medieval period, they had none of these things nor even knew or understood what was killing them.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Precisely

except when misdiagnosed as pneumonia; as befell a Tahoe camper friend of mine who died of Bubonic plague which is active in California. A epidemic killed 119 in the early 1900's in SF's Chinatown; and the bacteria is known to be in Sierra ground squirrels and Tahoe chipmunks. A decade (or longer) ago, I recollect a hunter who skinned a bobcat that feeds on such critters also died in California from the plague.

[Jimbuna]

The joys of hunting one might say

[August]

I remember the Army warning us about ground squirrels carrying the plague while we were on field exercises at Fort Irwin. It wasn't until my second hitch that I got the plague vaccine.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

except when misdiagnosed as pneumonia; as befell a Tahoe camper friend of mine who died of Bubonic plague which is active in California. A epidemic killed 119 in the early 1900's in SF's Chinatown; and the bacteria is known to be in Sierra ground squirrels and Tahoe chipmunks. A decade (or longer) ago, I recollect a hunter who skinned a bobcat that feeds on such critters also died in California from the plague.

Originally Posted by August

I remember the Army warning us about ground squirrels carrying the plague while we were on field exercises at Fort Irwin. It wasn't until my second hitch that I got the plague vaccine.

You know. I didn't want to say anything but if consorting with squirrels and or Squirrely people can be dangerous, perhaps we should do something about it. I mean, do we know anyone here in Subsim that plays with squirrels or even has a squirrelly name ? Slowly turns and looks suspiciously at Eichornchen.


Run Eichornchen, run for your life.

[Skybird]

It depends on the squirrel species - there are around 40 of them. Sciurus Vulgaris is free of plage virusses (european red sq.). Sciurus Virginensis (big grey american sq.) carries squirrel pox virusses, but that kills european reds and is not the human plague virus.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

I remember the Army warning us about ground squirrels carrying the plague while we were on field exercises at Fort Irwin. It wasn't until my second hitch that I got the plague vaccine.

Crazy but true story. I lost my uncle (by marriage) to Black Death. He was skinning a jackrabbit and he had a cut (open) or a scratch on his hand. The rabbit blood got into his wound. He got sick fairly fast and the worst part was, the doctor misdiagnosed it. (because it's not something one sees everyday as a doctor). He was here one day, gone the next. This was along time ago, back in the late 1970s. Nasty way to go.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

You know. I didn't want to say anything but if consorting with squirrels and or Squirrely people can be dangerous, perhaps we should do something about it. I mean, do we know anyone here in Subsim that plays with squirrels or even has a squirrelly name ? Slowly turns and looks suspiciously at Eichornchen.


Run Eichornchen, run for your life.

Just wear a mask and watch out for Dr. Science (Fauci).


Thread hijack aside, it's common among rodents. Handle your dead chipmunks with care!

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

except when misdiagnosed as pneumonia; as befell a Tahoe camper friend of mine who died of Bubonic plague which is active in California. A epidemic killed 119 in the early 1900's in SF's Chinatown; and the bacteria is known to be in Sierra ground squirrels and Tahoe chipmunks. A decade (or longer) ago, I recollect a hunter who skinned a bobcat that feeds on such critters also died in California from the plague.

D'oh, just read this! Ditto, my Uncle.



I guess I should read stuff first, then post, then proof read, then re-post.


My Uncle was from AZ, where it happened. A Western US thing? (Plague in rodents)


Plus, everytime I triple post, a Dowly gets his ferret snacks.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

D'oh, just read this! Ditto, my Uncle.



I guess I should read stuff first, then post, then proof read, then re-post.


My Uncle was from AZ, where it happened. A Western US thing? (Plague in rodents)


Plus, everytime I triple post, a Dowly gets his ferret snacks.

https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html My brother and my brother in law like to camp in the mountains where this is a concern... and then there's hantavirus where the fatality rate is 35% and 95% of the cases are in the Western United States. It is caused by the Sin Nombre virus, one of a family of viruses that is found worldwide. It can be transmitted by infected rodents through urine, droppings, or saliva.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/HantaviruscaseView/index.html

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Just wear a mask and watch out for Dr. Science (Fauci).


Thread hijack aside, it's common among rodents. Handle your dead chipmunks with care!

In all seriousness, I thought this was very much a thing of the past. Further, I had no idea rodents, rabbits and the like were that dangerous.

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html My brother and my brother in law like to camp in the mountains where this is a concern... and then there's hantavirus where the fatality rate is 35% and 95% of the cases are in the Western United States. It is caused by the Sin Nombre virus, one of a family of viruses that is found worldwide. It can be transmitted by infected rodents through urine, droppings, or saliva.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/HantaviruscaseView/index.html

I had seen an episode of Ice Road Truckers where the one driver became sick while on the road. It was discovered his truck had had a mice infestation and the driver was treated for Hantavirus. The driver ended up in the hospital.

[Rockstar]

It is thought one of the reasons why the Indo-European Yamanya culture was so successful was because of the Black Plague. They brought it with them as they moved west towards what we now call Europe however they were, how shall we say, a more robust group of people.