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Old 07-06-16, 05:27 AM   #1
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Default Chilcot report: Iraq invasion "not last resort"

12 years late, but I assume he at least got all the homework done on assessing the conspiracy - thats what I call coups like that - that lead to the chaotic state of things the region today suffers from.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36712735

I wonder whether there will ever come a comparable analysis from the US concluding the obvious. Probably not in our lifetime. Many Americans until today believe that at the time of the invasion and the immediate years before, Saddam still had WMD. He had (nobody ever denied that) - but but long time, many years earlier: that is the part that many people have problems with, for it spoils the official reason why Bush went to war.

This war was a war of wishes, not a war of needs.
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Old 07-06-16, 06:18 AM   #2
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This is the first summary from the BBC:

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Sir John Chilcot's Iraq War inquiry report is published after seven years
UK joined Iraq invasion "before peaceful options for disarmament exhausted" - military action was "not last resort"

Invasion based on “flawed intelligence and assessments” that went unchallenged

Threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were "presented with certainty that was not justified"

Consequences of action were underestimated "despite explicit warnings", Sir John says

Tony Blair says decision to take military action made "in good faith" and what he believed to be in "best interests of the country"

Inquiry set up by ex-PM Gordon Brown in June 2009 to look into run-up to 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq and its aftermath
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-36714717
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That's some report



The media summaries will give me plenty of reading material for work brakes
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People tend to forget that Saddam deliberately promoted the idea that he still had WMD.

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Saddam Hussein told an FBI interviewer before he was hanged that he allowed the world to believe he had weapons of mass destruction because he was worried about appearing weak to Iran, according to declassified accounts of the interviews released yesterday.
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Hell, I knew we were being hustled when I watched Colin Powell use Hollywood movie props and CGI in the attempt to convince everyone the need to invade.
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I wonder if this'll be used to build a case to charge Blair...
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I wonder if this'll be used to build a case to charge Blair...
Fat chance, they don't call him Teflon Blair for nothing.
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Whatever the initial outcome was I do not think Blair acted with levity, or irresponsible. I am however glad Germany, for whatever reason, did not join this mess back then.

If you want to "court-martial" polititians for their (in hindsight) wrong decisions, where and when do we start?
(insert Godwin's law, ok, but Mr. H. would surely NOT be the first one.)
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Fat chance, they don't call him Teflon Blair for nothing.
Even John Gotti get nicked eventually.
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A new cave system has been found in Europe, located between the temples of Tony Blair who gets quoted by the BBC with saying that the world due to the Iraq war today is a better place to live in.









What a load of canting bigotry. He has not heard a single of the many shots fired since then.

Well, Mr. Blair, and a thousand years ago people believed the world is a disc.
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A new cave system has been found in Europe, located between the temples of Tony Blair who gets quoted by the BBC with saying that "the world due to the Iraq war today is a better place to live in."









What a load of canting bigotry. He has not heard a single of the many shots fired since then.

Well, Mr. Blair, and a thousand years ago people believed the world is a disc.
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If you want to "court-martial" polititians for their (in hindsight) wrong decisions, where and when do we start?
Agreed.
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The turtle moves!
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I don't Believe Blair will face any kind of action what so ever and the sooner he sods off back into jungle never to be seen again the better.
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