US/UK cracked Israeli codes 18 years ago

Oberon · 01-29-16, 02:33 PM

According to a couple of tweets from the chairman of the group who owns the Spectator magazine, an article in the Intercept Magazine has alleged that the US and UK broke Israels encryption codes and have been spying on Israel for the last eighteen years. An Israeli security official has told Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli newspaper that it is "the worst leak in the history of Israeli intelligence."

Can't say I'm surprised, Moshe Dayan once said that 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' Certainly the 'Samson option' should it exist (and I see no reason why it should not) would be enough to make even Israels allies anxious for good intelligence on it. The down side of such a stance though is again demonstrated by a quote from General Dayan "Israel cannot afford to stand against the entire world and be denounced as the aggressor." And this is something that anti-Israeli forces have realised recently, that the mood of the world is turning, and in provoking the traditional Israeli strong response ("It is not in our hands to prevent the murder of workers… and families… but it is in our hands to fix a high price for our blood, so high that the Arab community and the Arab military forces will not be willing to pay it. ") they are able to gather the ammunition to create a situation where Israel may find itself standing against the world.

In short, I don't think the traditional responses to attacks from the Gaza Strip, West Bank and Lebanon are going to work as we move into the 21st century, or if they do work it will be with just as great a cost to Israel internationally as to the terrorists locally.

Stealhead · 01-30-16, 12:46 AM

The US has snooped on Israel for years there was the incident involving the USS Liberty back in 1967.

My uncle was a snoop in the Air Force and he spent a tour at the post in Brindisi, Italy. I know that he snooped on Arab and Soviet networks but he has described to me an incident involving IDAF fighters and Egyptian fighters. The Egyptians got confused and one pilot flew into the ground not a good day for the Egyptian air force this would have been some time between 1971 and 1974. As you might assume clearly another American was translating what the IDAF was saying while my uncle translated the Egyptians.

I wonder what he is legally bound not mention but you can sure it must be very interesting if you observe the dates he was snooping in the region (Yom Kipur War).

Im certain in his life time and probably mine as well some things will remain classified that he might have been privy to.

Platapus · 01-30-16, 08:29 AM

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That's why we hire math nerds to read it for us.

01-29-16, 02:33 PM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	US/UK cracked Israeli codes 18 years ago According to a couple of tweets from the chairman of the group who owns the Spectator magazine, an article in the Intercept Magazine has alleged that the US and UK broke Israels encryption codes and have been spying on Israel for the last eighteen years. An Israeli security official has told Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli newspaper that it is "the worst leak in the history of Israeli intelligence." Can't say I'm surprised, Moshe Dayan once said that 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' Certainly the 'Samson option' should it exist (and I see no reason why it should not) would be enough to make even Israels allies anxious for good intelligence on it. The down side of such a stance though is again demonstrated by a quote from General Dayan "Israel cannot afford to stand against the entire world and be denounced as the aggressor." And this is something that anti-Israeli forces have realised recently, that the mood of the world is turning, and in provoking the traditional Israeli strong response ("It is not in our hands to prevent the murder of workers… and families… but it is in our hands to fix a high price for our blood, so high that the Arab community and the Arab military forces will not be willing to pay it. ") they are able to gather the ammunition to create a situation where Israel may find itself standing against the world. In short, I don't think the traditional responses to attacks from the Gaza Strip, West Bank and Lebanon are going to work as we move into the 21st century, or if they do work it will be with just as great a cost to Israel internationally as to the terrorists locally.

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01-30-16, 12:46 AM	#2
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The US has snooped on Israel for years there was the incident involving the USS Liberty back in 1967. My uncle was a snoop in the Air Force and he spent a tour at the post in Brindisi, Italy. I know that he snooped on Arab and Soviet networks but he has described to me an incident involving IDAF fighters and Egyptian fighters. The Egyptians got confused and one pilot flew into the ground not a good day for the Egyptian air force this would have been some time between 1971 and 1974. As you might assume clearly another American was translating what the IDAF was saying while my uncle translated the Egyptians. I wonder what he is legally bound not mention but you can sure it must be very interesting if you observe the dates he was snooping in the region (Yom Kipur War). Im certain in his life time and probably mine as well some things will remain classified that he might have been privy to.