Love him or hate him - his second collection of transcripts is out

[Skybird]

LINK

Decided to check out what he is doing, and got surprised by this news, 5 months old. Already have the first volume, I am pleased to get the videos 61- 118 in writing now.

I predict a not so distant future when such videos will get banned and even the publication and buying of such books may put you at risk to get punished. Voices demanding that already are to be heard, and they become louder every day - even among politicians of major parties. Criticizing Islam can bring you into conflict with the law over "discrimination" already now, and a - small, but growing - part of the EU parliament members would like to see criticizing and disagreeing with the EU getting criminalized as well.

...a - small, but growing - part of the EU parliament members would like to see criticizing and disagreeing with the EU getting criminalized...

I predict that Skybird won't be able to find a single credible source that actually says that. I predict that he will carry on insisting it is true...

I predict that Skybird won't be able to find a single credible source that actually says that. I predict that he will carry on insisting it is true...

That is not much of a prediction as it is already a well established fact that he does so.

[Respenus]

I have spent the last hour searching for an article on EUObserver I remember reading a while ago. It reported on an internal document in the European Parliament that stated something similar to Skybird's comment. I am not talking about the "political guidelines for the institutional information and communication campaign" and fighting negative reporting in the media and especially the internet, but about another thing altogether, although it was closely linked to the media issue.

What I can say with certainty that Skybird isn't wrong in his sources, but his interpretation is strongly influenced by our old friend Bruno Waterfield, who for some reason feels injured by the EU and will grasp on every single straw he can find. I'm all for a critical approach towards European integration, in fact, we should thank Skybird for providing an alternative viewpoint, but I do object rabid opposition without looking more deeply into the subject matter.

On a final note, I must say that I am shocked and disturbed by the increase in hostility against Skybird in the past couple of years. I realise that his comments put him on the wrong end of many a debate, but at least he was engaged in discussions in the past. Today he has been made into a pariah, an unworthy and undeserving position for such a long-standing and active member of Subsim.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Respenus

On a final note, I must say that I am shocked and disturbed by the increase in hostility against Skybird in the past couple of years.

That's what I noticed too.
Politicans wanting to make criticism and mocking illegal ?? Nothing new here. A politicians wet dream not seeing caricatures in newspapers every morning. But do they have the power and wits to realise something like that. No.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Respenus

I have spent the last hour searching for an article on EUObserver I remember reading a while ago. It reported on an internal document in the European Parliament that stated something similar to Skybird's comment. I am not talking about the "political guidelines for the institutional information and communication campaign" and fighting negative reporting in the media and especially the internet, but about another thing altogether, although it was closely linked to the media issue.

I am not running a private archive. I read a news, if it interests me, I do some search for more confirmation or the original material linked to in that news, or not - depends on the quality of the original news as I perceive it. I store it in mind. Period. In doing so, I am not any different than probably everybody else here. Only some pieces and articles land in a link archive, mostly essays of longer length and something in them that I really appreciated.

Both the EU commission and the EU parklimant had internal plans leaked, given, revealed or whatever over the past three years or so that indicate that a growing number of people sympathize with the idea to react to the decline in Eu enthusiasm by forcing people to nevertheless like it. One commissioner was stupid enough to openly say that the EU should mull legislation that can legally pursue criticism of the EU that the EU does not see as fair or balanced. The thing to note is that the EU is the instance to judge what is fair and balanced - one can easily imagine where this aims to end at. Additionally, in the same period of time I recall to have read short mentionings in the news about three or four members of EU parliament who also expressed disgust at EU critics, that expressing unbalanced views of the EU should see the opinion holder being held legally responsible, and that for repeated offenders even prison terms appear to be justified.

Well. Of course, "nobody plans to build a wall"... But the EU is a record holder in braking its own treaties, laws, and rules, especially regarding the Euro. I would also argue that when considering the national state, the democratic government, and the very obvious tendency towards a centralised, non-legitimated, planned-economy-run socialist superstate, and when even further considering my recent quotings and references to Murray Rothbard and H.-H. Hoppe (and others), when all this gets considered, then it should become clear that demanding critics of the EU project being silenced, by anonymous group pressure, by political correctness, by enforced opinion conformity and media with hunts and finally by legal oppression, is not just a scenario possible, but asppears to be the logical next stage of development. And I cannot say how often I read some small news on some minor detail everyday issue that just adds another small piece to the overall picture than shows this scenario becoming reality, slowly but surely.

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BTW, the link in the first posting is about Pat Condell's second volume with transcripts of his infamous youtube monologues.

Just in case people have not noted.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Respenus

On a final note, I must say that I am shocked and disturbed by the increase in hostility against Skybird in the past couple of years. I realise that his comments put him on the wrong end of many a debate, but at least he was engaged in discussions in the past. Today he has been made into a pariah, an unworthy and undeserving position for such a long-standing and active member of Subsim.

It isn't the other members that changed, it was Skybird that changed. He's grown into the belief that it is his role to bring the enlightenment of fringe politics to the masses, and while that in itself is not particularly contemptible, he then treats the forum like it is his personal blog. He belittles those that disagree with him, and goes as far as telling people that they need to kill themselves. Given the contempt that he has dished out, particularly over the past few years, I can't see how member reaction against him would be shocking or disturbing at all. Sometimes contempt is earned.

On a final note, I must say that I am shocked and disturbed by the increase in hostility against Skybird in the past couple of years.

Its all down to the content, sometimes he writes very good stuff sometimes he writes what could best be be described as paranoid deranged rubbish.
On this particular subject, while I agree with many points Skybird tries to make about the EU he regularly falls into misreprestation, or worse, arguements which are clearly and demonstrably entirely false which he will still repeatedly maintain are true long after the definitive contrary evidence is shown in black and white.

So to your earlier point.

I do object rabid opposition without looking more deeply into the subject matter.

Do you really think people don't look into the subject matter?