Are you willing?

[GoldenRivet]

Simple, black and white, unloaded yes or no question as presented by public school to children

American's: Are you willing to give up some of your constitutional rights in order to feel more secure?

[Stealhead]

Crap I hit yes and meant no.Recount!!!! It should as of right now be 100% no.

If only Americans vote it is going be majority no anyway hell if everyone votes it will still be mainly no I'd wager.

I would not willingly give up any right to feel "safer" everyone was "safe" in the book "1984".

[Father Goose]

Don't worry Stealhead. The same thing happened to a lot of folks in the last presidential election.

Back on topic:
'Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.' Benjamin Franklin, 'Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor,' November 11, 1755."

[Stealhead]

That is the same thing the losing side says after every election by my count that has happened 55 times just counting primary presidential elections.

I volunteered during the 2008 election trust me they get counted correctly and people get varied properly I sat there a did it.

[Red October1984]

NO!

None of my rights will be given up because they are RIGHTS!

Maybe we've forgotten the definition of that word....

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That is the same thing the losing side says after every election by my count that has happened 55 times just counting primary presidential elections.

I volunteered during the 2008 election trust me they get counted correctly and people get varied properly I sat there a did it.

Oh, I'm sorry, I just noticed you're from Florida. That explains it all.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Father Goose

Oh, I'm sorry, I just noticed you're from Florida. That explains it all.

Stealhead, we're going to have to recount your posts...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Father Goose

Oh, I'm sorry, I just noticed you're from Florida. That explains it all.

It explains where I live and nothing more.And back in 2000 it was only a few counties that had those hole punch ballot deals.In most counties they use a ballot where you mark using a scan tron machine.This happens the moment they are done marking so there is no way to alter the vote unless the person made a mistake themselves.At the end of the day the machines are opened and the ballots are counted.I was not in the country for the 2000 vote at the time I was in the military and I only volunteered the one time in 2008 and have not done it since it was a little too boring for me to have sit in one place for hours on end.

[raymond6751]

You want the right to have your kids take classes in free-fire zones.
You want the right to bury your children.
You want the right to stay indoors at night because the streets are kill zones.
You want the right to fire at a bad guy (presumed), to miss, and to kill some innocent person.
You want the right to have your wife, kids, girlfriends, and mommy caught in a crossfire between folks who disagree.
You want a right to keep loaded guns and kids in the same house.
You want to watch your neighbors who are also armed.
You want big guns, hollow point ammo, big mags, and hospitals so full they can't take in your son or daughter when they need help.
You want criminals let loose early because the jails are overflowing.
You want the right to shoot first at anyone who looks or acts in any way that makes you feel unsafe.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by raymond6751

You want the right to stay indoors at night because the streets are kill zones.

I already stay indoors at night because the neighborhood is infested with thugs and gangsters. They don't need a gun to beat me to death. I certainly need one if they decide to do so.

You want the right to fire at a bad guy (presumed), to miss, and to kill some innocent person.

Yet you support the right of a cop to do the same thing.

You want the right to have your wife, kids, girlfriends, and mommy caught in a crossfire between folks who disagree.

Hasn't happened to any of my kids, or my friends' kids.

You want a right to keep loaded guns and kids in the same house.

And yet I know several people who keep the guns out of reach of the little ones and teach the older ones what they are and why they're there.

You want to watch your neighbors who are also armed.

I respect my neighbors and know who they are. If they're armed it doesn't bother me at all.

You want big guns, hollow point ammo, big mags, and hospitals so full they can't take in your son or daughter when they need help.

None of those make things any better or any worse than having guns at all. Why don't you admit your real agenda. Also, the hospitals are full to overflowing with auto accident victims, but I don't hear you saying a word. Emotionalism at its finest.

You want criminals let loose early because the jails are overflowing.

No, I don't want that. On the other hand, legalize most drugs and that problem disappears overnight.

You want the right to shoot first at anyone who looks or acts in any way that makes you feel unsafe.

Not even close. You really are making this up as you go along.

I never thought I'd say this, but that little rant makes Yubba look like a scholar.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by raymond6751

You want the right to have your kids take classes in free-fire zones.
You want the right to bury your children.
You want the right to stay indoors at night because the streets are kill zones.
You want the right to fire at a bad guy (presumed), to miss, and to kill some innocent person.
You want the right to have your wife, kids, girlfriends, and mommy caught in a crossfire between folks who disagree.
You want a right to keep loaded guns and kids in the same house.
You want to watch your neighbors who are also armed.
You want big guns, hollow point ammo, big mags, and hospitals so full they can't take in your son or daughter when they need help.
You want criminals let loose early because the jails are overflowing.
You want the right to shoot first at anyone who looks or acts in any way that makes you feel unsafe.

Regarding all that, yes we want those rights, because we've learned in America criminals don't abide by any law.

I have several guns in my house with kids, not loaded, cept one. My son is 15, very good with guns, he's allowed to take his and go hunting/target shooting when he pleases. My wife is a great marksman, woman...lol. We're not worried about shooting each other in a criminal comes in, we'll have him in triangulated fire. However, I'd rather be shot by a family member trying to stop a criminal, than to stand there with my hands in my pockets why they rape or kill my family.

Speaking of prisons, I saw a GOP congressman that made me sick. With budget cuts he was talking about what we needed to do to cut cost in the prison system because too many offenders were being released. He wanted to get rid of soft drinks, any junk food, cable, books, etc. Like Steve said, legalize pot and you'll have plenty room for the real crooks.
Course, he was against doing that.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Armistead

However, I'd rather be shot by a family member trying to stop a criminal, than to stand there with my hands in my pockets why they rape or kill my family.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I vote Rotweiller.

In a related note, my last boss/engineer's wife is a concealed carry holder. She always had a pistol on her.

[GoldenRivet]

Wonder how this thread migrated to guns even though guns were never mentioned in the original post...

Sure guns is a fraction of it, but so is speech, having a trial, being free from illegal search etc.

@skybird, it is NOT worded in a manipulative fashion... the question is simple

"would you give up some of your constitutional rights to feel safer?"

no motive or agenda... unless of course the school teacher asking the question had them.

certainly none here, just want to know what my comrades think at subsim.

So you either would be willing to give up on one ore more rights, or you wouldnt. There really isnt a grey area or a fuzzy line to walk where constitutional rights are concerned, one either wants specific rights or they dont... its really that simple.