I guess we have to have a Kony 2012 thread...

TLAM Strike · 03-08-12, 08:22 PM

If you don't know what I'm talking about:

Platapus · 03-08-12, 08:31 PM

No way am I going to watch a 29 minute you tube video. Can you give us a clue about what it is about?

Kony is a baddie, but the world is full of baddies.

TLAM Strike · 03-08-12, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

No way am I going to watch a 29 minute you tube video. Can you give us a clue about what it is about?

Here is a news report on it:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/ko...183106657.html

Oberon · 03-08-12, 09:09 PM

Dammit, thought we'd get away with it...ah well, I have an image ready for the occasion:

TLAM Strike · 03-08-12, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Dammit, thought we'd get away with it...ah well

Sorry we talked about it in class today so I had to bring it up.

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I bought that up sort of in our discussion. I pointed out that basically the whole video is encouraging anti-war leftist hippies to ask their members of congress to sent US troops in to a war. I wondered how many would support it if instead of donating a couple dollars and putting up a poster it asked them to put on a uniform and go in to the jungle and kill this SOB.

One girl objected saying they are not "troops" but "advisers". I corrected her that "advisers" means the Army Green Berets and the professor educated her about the experiences of US advisers in another jungle not so long ago.

I mentioned these anti-war leftist hippies don't have any idea what it means to actually go out and "bring justice" to someone like this. They are not going to slap some cuffs on him and read Miranda. Folks like the "Dark Forces" of the CIA are going to have to go out and do some nasty things to track him down then the Ugandan army backed up by our guys are going to fight their way through those 30,000 child soldiers and "terminate with extreme prejudice".

I also wondered how the Afghan war would be "sold" if portrayed like this. Considering just some of the nastiness that Taliban have done, and the focus on the unjust nature of our side portrayed by some who support this 2012 movement.

Torplexed · 03-08-12, 09:41 PM

Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don't realize they're likely supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. Kony himself hasn't been active in Uganda proper for years.

Plus, the whole thing smacks of the "White Man's Burden" to save Africa from itself. Which means it'll come off as patronizing behavior from the former colonial overlords there.

GoldenRivet · 03-09-12, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Dammit, thought we'd get away with it...ah well, I have an image ready for the occasion:

Im borrowing this

CaptainMattJ. · 03-08-12, 09:11 PM

Joseph Kony is nothing. He is but one among the over saturated list of tyrannical psychopaths that rule poverty-stricken Africa, the middle east, and Asia.

And its sad to realize that this does not surprise me. The fact is that this goes on all over Africa, with many "Konys" and that this man is nothing special. Yes, it sad. But honestly, this whole viral phase is just that: a phase. People will forget about it sooon enough, it will slip from people's thoughts and life will go on just as it always has. This does not directly( or indirectly) affect most anyone here in our more established countries. And therefore they have little concern for it. This is just a miniature slice of what goes on in Africa. People know and have known for decades exactly what goes on. This is just one of those ridiculous internet phases where some people can say they give a dam, when in reality they dont. Which itself is kind of ridiculous to see.

What do they hope to accomplish? Sure, people are more informed of this particular dictator. But the majority of people in uganda dont have weapons, while this man does. Therefore the only way to remove him is to send in troops in another extremely expensive war that wont do ANYTHING. If he gets taken down, another Kony will rise up just as fast. The poverty is so unimaginably high that thousands of Joseph Konys will step up in absolutely no time at all, replacing him like batteries in a remote control, making the whole effort futile. THe reality is that unless Africa begans to actually build infrastructure and reduce poverty, nothing will change.

Its all just depressing. Killing this man will not even dent the power structure in Africa. Yet he needs to die for his crimes. A never ending loop. The only way to make change is to invest in building it up, which no major country is willing (or able) to do.

Oberon · 03-08-12, 09:16 PM

What I want to know is, are his followers called 'Kronies'?

I'll get my coat...

03-08-12, 08:41 PM

So international law and the international criminal court.
Slight problem there, some of the countries havn't signed and other countries havn't ratified, so on this link you can make your donation to an organisation in a country that hasn't ratified the paperwork so they can go looking for someone in a country that hasn't signed the papers.

03-08-12, 08:22 PM	#1
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I guess we have to have a Kony 2012 thread... If you don't know what I'm talking about: __________________

03-08-12, 08:31 PM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	No way am I going to watch a 29 minute you tube video. Can you give us a clue about what it is about? Kony is a baddie, but the world is full of baddies. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-08-12, 09:11 PM	#8
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Joseph Kony is nothing. He is but one among the over saturated list of tyrannical psychopaths that rule poverty-stricken Africa, the middle east, and Asia. And its sad to realize that this does not surprise me. The fact is that this goes on all over Africa, with many "Konys" and that this man is nothing special. Yes, it sad. But honestly, this whole viral phase is just that: a phase. People will forget about it sooon enough, it will slip from people's thoughts and life will go on just as it always has. This does not directly( or indirectly) affect most anyone here in our more established countries. And therefore they have little concern for it. This is just a miniature slice of what goes on in Africa. People know and have known for decades exactly what goes on. This is just one of those ridiculous internet phases where some people can say they give a dam, when in reality they dont. Which itself is kind of ridiculous to see. What do they hope to accomplish? Sure, people are more informed of this particular dictator. But the majority of people in uganda dont have weapons, while this man does. Therefore the only way to remove him is to send in troops in another extremely expensive war that wont do ANYTHING. If he gets taken down, another Kony will rise up just as fast. The poverty is so unimaginably high that thousands of Joseph Konys will step up in absolutely no time at all, replacing him like batteries in a remote control, making the whole effort futile. THe reality is that unless Africa begans to actually build infrastructure and reduce poverty, nothing will change. Its all just depressing. Killing this man will not even dent the power structure in Africa. Yet he needs to die for his crimes. A never ending loop. The only way to make change is to invest in building it up, which no major country is willing (or able) to do. __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

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03-08-12, 09:09 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Dammit, thought we'd get away with it...ah well, I have an image ready for the occasion:

03-08-12, 09:41 PM	#6
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don't realize they're likely supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. Kony himself hasn't been active in Uganda proper for years. Plus, the whole thing smacks of the "White Man's Burden" to save Africa from itself. Which means it'll come off as patronizing behavior from the former colonial overlords there.

03-08-12, 09:16 PM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	What I want to know is, are his followers called 'Kronies'? I'll get my coat...

03-08-12, 08:41 PM	#10
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	So international law and the international criminal court. Slight problem there, some of the countries havn't signed and other countries havn't ratified, so on this link you can make your donation to an organisation in a country that hasn't ratified the paperwork so they can go looking for someone in a country that hasn't signed the papers.