Anyone know this symbol?

Armistead · 10-04-12, 02:48 PM

Someone posted this at Ubi trying to figure out what the symbol is, branch or nation,......anything. We've come up dry, so figured someone here smart enough would know.

Stealhead · 10-04-12, 04:01 PM

The blue eagle looks just like the emblem of the Untied Sates with out the 13 stars above the eagles head and the E pluribus unum ribbon not in its beak.As far as I am aware no other nation has copied our emblem the arrows in the left talon and the olive branch in the right talon with the head facing to the right is unique to the US Harry Truman had the head turned it used to face the arrows this was after WWII.

The arrows might also be a trident but a very crappy one with only two points.Honestly the pictures are to lousy to tell what exactly is in the right talon it sort of look like a stick with the number 11 at the top.The blue eagle flag is a pin it should appear as well.

It does look military to me it looks like something sold a gift shop or costume store.

It looks like a lousy imitation of a US Navy officers hat or a chiefs hat.

That or it a country that structures its military after the American military
it looks so rinky dink in quality if it is a real part of an officers uniform it is from a very third world country and that is odd because poor countries have opulent officers dress uniforms.

I am going to go ahead and say that is some costume hat because the tan material looks like polyester and the black band appears to be simply elastic.A dress hat can be made of polyester but a blend for military purposes for better breathing.The gold section looks very home made to me as well.You can even see where they slide the black cloth behind the elastic band and then sawed the large eagle onto both the elastic band and the black patch of cloth behind the eagle.

I hope whoever has this did not pay much money for it.

It is the commodores hat for some yacht club.

Update: Did you see Vonntrapps thoughts? I think he is correct as the origin of the pin someone took the pin and took a generic cap and put it on there.

I can tell that none of the responders over at UBI where in the military as I would expect them to notice the poor quality of the hat and based on that realize that it is not a military unifomr hat.

Rockstar · 10-04-12, 04:17 PM

Too busy to look right now. But the flag looks like it could be company flag for a maritime freight, towing, or cruise line.

Stealhead · 10-04-12, 04:35 PM

That is what one guy over there said WerrnerVonTrapp he also is a member here at subsim.

It is most certainly not a Helenic naval officer cap either the emblem is completely wrong. Islaimc nations often use an eagle but they always have the talons down so that bird is holding a ribbon
with an Islamic slogan in his talons he holds the ribbon below his body.

It is some thing commercial or someone took the blue eagle pin and placed it on generic hat.

August · 10-04-12, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Too busy to look right now. But the flag looks like it could be company flag for a maritime freight, towing, or cruise line.

That's what it looks like to me as well.

Herr-Berbunch · 10-04-12, 06:04 PM

Finally, the blue eagle on white was adopted when the Red Star Line passed into the ownership of J. P. Morgan's International Mercantile Marine. The IMM revived this flag for the United States Lines when it acquired that company in 1931.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us~hfamr.html

Rockstar · 10-04-12, 06:08 PM

Bah you beat me to it. Good find H-B

Armistead · 10-04-12, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Finally, the blue eagle on white was adopted when the Red Star Line passed into the ownership of J. P. Morgan's International Mercantile Marine. The IMM revived this flag for the United States Lines when it acquired that company in 1931.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us~hfamr.html

Someone did submit that one, but we're not sure, but that is the only blue bird found on a white flag. Question I have, it appears to be a Phoenix more than an Eagle and I see no arrows in the left foot. Many other nations use the olive branch as well.

Herr-Berbunch · 10-04-12, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Bah you beat me to it. Good find H-B

You can take some credit, you put me on the right track, Google did the rest of the hard work.

I admit the bird's left talons are holding something ever so slightly different from the OP pic, but different artists/designers can have a different take on things like 'arrows on the right pointing to the 2 o'clock position'. Or so I say. Tail's different too, but it fits within most parameters. You are looking at something that's been around for over a century, not something that has been mass produced in some Taiwanese factory.

August · 10-04-12, 07:50 PM

Here's a USL image that's closer to the cap:

Stealhead · 10-04-12, 10:39 PM

The pin looks like it is a commemoration pin that they used to give to employees to show that the person had worked for the company for so many years 10,20,30 that is what is in the right talon in this case it is the number 10.

Someone took the hat and placed the International Mercantile Marine pin on it.

10-04-12, 02:48 PM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Anyone know this symbol? Someone posted this at Ubi trying to figure out what the symbol is, branch or nation,......anything. We've come up dry, so figured someone here smart enough would know.

10-04-12, 04:01 PM	#2
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The blue eagle looks just like the emblem of the Untied Sates with out the 13 stars above the eagles head and the E pluribus unum ribbon not in its beak.As far as I am aware no other nation has copied our emblem the arrows in the left talon and the olive branch in the right talon with the head facing to the right is unique to the US Harry Truman had the head turned it used to face the arrows this was after WWII. The arrows might also be a trident but a very crappy one with only two points.Honestly the pictures are to lousy to tell what exactly is in the right talon it sort of look like a stick with the number 11 at the top.The blue eagle flag is a pin it should appear as well. It does look military to me it looks like something sold a gift shop or costume store. It looks like a lousy imitation of a US Navy officers hat or a chiefs hat. That or it a country that structures its military after the American military it looks so rinky dink in quality if it is a real part of an officers uniform it is from a very third world country and that is odd because poor countries have opulent officers dress uniforms. I am going to go ahead and say that is some costume hat because the tan material looks like polyester and the black band appears to be simply elastic.A dress hat can be made of polyester but a blend for military purposes for better breathing.The gold section looks very home made to me as well.You can even see where they slide the black cloth behind the elastic band and then sawed the large eagle onto both the elastic band and the black patch of cloth behind the eagle. I hope whoever has this did not pay much money for it. It is the commodores hat for some yacht club. Update: Did you see Vonntrapps thoughts? I think he is correct as the origin of the pin someone took the pin and took a generic cap and put it on there. I can tell that none of the responders over at UBI where in the military as I would expect them to notice the poor quality of the hat and based on that realize that it is not a military unifomr hat. Last edited by Stealhead; 10-04-12 at 04:29 PM.

10-04-12, 06:04 PM	#6
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Found it! Finally, the blue eagle on white was adopted when the Red Star Line passed into the ownership of J. P. Morgan's International Mercantile Marine. The IMM revived this flag for the United States Lines when it acquired that company in 1931. http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us~hfamr.html __________________

10-04-12, 07:50 PM	#10
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's a USL image that's closer to the cap: __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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10-04-12, 04:17 PM	#3
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Too busy to look right now. But the flag looks like it could be company flag for a maritime freight, towing, or cruise line.

10-04-12, 04:35 PM	#4
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That is what one guy over there said WerrnerVonTrapp he also is a member here at subsim. It is most certainly not a Helenic naval officer cap either the emblem is completely wrong. Islaimc nations often use an eagle but they always have the talons down so that bird is holding a ribbon with an Islamic slogan in his talons he holds the ribbon below his body. It is some thing commercial or someone took the blue eagle pin and placed it on generic hat.

10-04-12, 06:08 PM	#7
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Bah you beat me to it. Good find H-B

10-04-12, 10:39 PM	#11
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The pin looks like it is a commemoration pin that they used to give to employees to show that the person had worked for the company for so many years 10,20,30 that is what is in the right talon in this case it is the number 10. Someone took the hat and placed the International Mercantile Marine pin on it.