St Nazaire - Hell

Walruss · 02-22-11, 08:09 AM

Has anyone else noticed how TINY St Nazaire is? ESPECIALLY if you're driving a type-IX? 3 point bloody turns, slow loch gates, no room... ugh.

Am I alone in disliking this port? is it actually done to appropriate specs in terms of size?
I'm using the gwx 3 wilhelmshaven, st naz and schluese pack... but... ugh.

Gerald · 02-22-11, 08:17 AM

Switch to another port / flotilla

Tessa · 02-22-11, 08:59 AM

Do you have St. Nazaire mixed up with Lorient? St. Nazaire imo is one of the easiest harbor to get out of, just a slight turn and you almost sail straight out into the open sea. Only port that is easier is La Spezia, which you pretty much sail straight out into the sea after adjusting course to avoid hitting the pennisula. Lorient and Brest are both shallow draft harbors, iirc the XXI can't even dock in one of those 2 due to its draft and tight corners.

frau kaleun · 02-22-11, 09:09 AM

Quote:

is it actually done to appropriate specs in terms of size?

Some aerial views of the area, for comparison:

This purports to be a photo of the mockup model made for use in the planning of a commando raid on the base, now in the Imperial War Museum in London:

This is from the Wiki page on the raid itself (Operation Chariot):

More info about Operation Chariot here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid

Gerald · 02-22-11, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Some aerial views of the area, for comparison:

This purports to be a photo of the mockup model made for use in the planning of a commando raid on the base, now in the Imperial War Museum in London:

This is from the Wiki page on the raid itself (Operation Chariot):

More info about Operation Chariot here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid

Thanks for posting frau, interesting

Walruss · 02-22-11, 09:25 AM

I can barely make it outat full rudder and ahead slow...

02-22-11, 02:38 PM

IX boat and 3 tight turns?
That would be Lorient.
(Two rights from the berth, and one left well after passing the light house, which woud be on your right outbound?)

The bad news is that it's a hard Sea & Anchor.
The good news is that it has about the shortest distance to deep water.
That port gets much easier once you've learned the lay of things.

STEED · 02-22-11, 02:42 PM

Sounds like Lorient to me as well.

frau kaleun · 02-22-11, 03:47 PM

I agree, I only started from St Naz a couple times when I was testing stuff... but I don't remember it being that bad. OTOH I've been in and out of Lorient more frequently on regular career patrols and I have a hard enough time doing that in a VIIB without denting a fender or two.

Tessa · 02-22-11, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I agree, I only started from St Naz a couple times when I was testing stuff... but I don't remember it being that bad. OTOH I've been in and out of Lorient more frequently on regular career patrols and I have a hard enough time doing that in a VIIB without denting a fender or two.

St. Nazaire (w/o the moving docks mod) you pretty much just sail straight out once you start. There's a minefield directly in front of you, long as you alter your heading 10 or 15 degrees you'll be safe (or just follow the minesweeper/e-boat). I couldn't imagine trying to maneuver a IX in or out of Lorient, the turns are harshly sharp for any large boat.

02-22-11, 08:09 AM	#1
Walruss Soundman Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	St Nazaire - Hell Has anyone else noticed how TINY St Nazaire is? ESPECIALLY if you're driving a type-IX? 3 point bloody turns, slow loch gates, no room... ugh. Am I alone in disliking this port? is it actually done to appropriate specs in terms of size? I'm using the gwx 3 wilhelmshaven, st naz and schluese pack... but... ugh. __________________ Lt. Z. S . Werner Krautsch Assigned: U-66 (IXc), 2nd Flot. 1. JAN 1941 Date: JAN 41 Patrols Completed: 0 Warships:0 Subs:0 Merchants: 0 Status: AT SEA

02-22-11, 08:17 AM	#2
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Switch to another port / flotilla __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

02-22-11, 09:25 AM	#6
Walruss Soundman Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	I can barely make it outat full rudder and ahead slow... __________________ Lt. Z. S . Werner Krautsch Assigned: U-66 (IXc), 2nd Flot. 1. JAN 1941 Date: JAN 41 Patrols Completed: 0 Warships:0 Subs:0 Merchants: 0 Status: AT SEA

02-22-11, 02:42 PM	#8
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Sounds like Lorient to me as well. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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02-22-11, 08:59 AM	#3
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Do you have St. Nazaire mixed up with Lorient? St. Nazaire imo is one of the easiest harbor to get out of, just a slight turn and you almost sail straight out into the open sea. Only port that is easier is La Spezia, which you pretty much sail straight out into the sea after adjusting course to avoid hitting the pennisula. Lorient and Brest are both shallow draft harbors, iirc the XXI can't even dock in one of those 2 due to its draft and tight corners.

02-22-11, 02:38 PM	#7
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	IX boat and 3 tight turns? That would be Lorient. (Two rights from the berth, and one left well after passing the light house, which woud be on your right outbound?) The bad news is that it's a hard Sea & Anchor. The good news is that it has about the shortest distance to deep water. That port gets much easier once you've learned the lay of things.

02-22-11, 03:47 PM	#9
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I agree, I only started from St Naz a couple times when I was testing stuff... but I don't remember it being that bad. OTOH I've been in and out of Lorient more frequently on regular career patrols and I have a hard enough time doing that in a VIIB without denting a fender or two.