Understanding Medals/Renown/Badges in basic.cfg

[frau kaleun]

As the thread title indicates I need a little help with understanding how some sections of the basic.cfg file work, in terms of how medals, badges, and promotions are awarded. F'rinstance:

[PLAYER_RENOWN]
AcademyBonus=1000
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=7999; SCORE
RankLevel3=14999; SCORE
MedalSettings0=0.25
MedalSettings1=0.5
MedalSettings2=1
MedalScore0=3000;2 class, SCORE
MedalScore1=7000;1 class, SCORE
MedalScore2=15000; knight, SCORE
MedalScore3=25000; oak leaves, SCORE
MedalScore4=37000;swords, SCORE
MedalScore5=50000;diamonds, SCORE
MedalScore6=80000;all, SCORE

In the MedalScore lines, I thought the number after = was how much renown you had to have to get that particular medal. When I finished my first combat patrol I know I had just over 3000 renown and I got the IC 2nd class. But I just finished another patrol with a renown of 4995 and got the IC 1st class... so what does the 7000 in MedalScore1=7000;1 class, SCORE refer to if not total renown earned so far in one's career?

[Lord_magerius]

I think it is just the renown that you earn accumulating. I've had patrols where I've only gained maybe 200 renown but it's been enough to get me my next medal despite my sub-par performance on said patrol.

[ryanglavin]

for the sake of a bump, I'll just throw one in.

It could be that the game is acting as if you were on 100% difficulty, so a 200 renown ship would become a 400 renown ship.

Or maybe theres a hidden variable, like a X1.5 when awarding medals

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by ryanglavin

for the sake of a bump, I'll just throw one in.

It could be that the game is acting as if you were on 100% difficulty, so a 200 renown ship would become a 400 renown ship.

Or maybe theres a hidden variable, like a X1.5 when awarding medals

I've already edited the realism settings so that the game thinks I'm playing at 99% realism even though I'm not. I know I'm getting more renown than I would normally get playing with the realism options I have, which would probably be around 60% if I hadn't fiddled with the relevant files. That's not the issue.

My question is, if the line

MedalScore1=7000;1 class, SCORE

doesn't mean I need a renown of 7000 or more to get the IC 1st Class, then what does the "7000" refer to? If it does refer to renown, then I don't understand how renown works, because I finished a patrol with less than 5000 renown for my career thus far and still got the medal.

I'm assuming that "SCORE" refers to renown and that renown is cumulative - meaning, whatever renown I earn on patrol 2 gets added to what I had after finishing patrol 1, and so on, so that my current total equals what I started my career with plus the amounts earned on each patrol so far. But my current total does not equal the "SCORE" it looks like I should have in order to earn the medals the game keeps giving me.

So either I don't understand how renown works, or those lines in the basic.cfg mean something other than what I think they do. I'd like to know exactly how it all works because getting another grade of IC every time I finish a patrol just doesn't feel right.

[pickinthebanjo]

Don't mind me while I steal this thread for a moment (No sence in starting one for this question)

What is the highest rank you can acheive in SH3 with GWX3 installed?

[frau kaleun]

No problem, I'm open to any and all discussions of renown/rank/awards because I really want to understand how all those lines from the basic.cfg work and what numbers they are referring to and how it's all calculated. I'd like to mod in edits so that things happen in a historically more appropriate fashion, but without understanding what I need to change and by how much I'm at a loss.

[Torp III]

Frau, check this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ght=promotions

You have to change some stuff in basic cfg and commander as well.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Torp III

Frau, check this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ght=promotions

You have to change some stuff in basic cfg and commander as well.

Thanks, but the info there doesn't answer my basic question. I'm already working on alterations to the basic.cfg via commander to make the awarding of medals/promotions more historically accurate and appropriate to my style of play, however in order to do that effectively I'd like to know exactly how the game is doing it now.

Either the lines

MedalScore0=3000;2 class, SCORE
MedalScore1=7000;1 class, SCORE
(etc.)

don't mean what I think they mean (i.e., I finish a patrol, the game tells me my renown is over the "score" required for a particular medal, I get the medal), or else the renown the game tells me I have at the end of a patrol is different from the amount being used to award medals and there is some other factor in how "MedalScoreX" is calculated that I am not aware of.

THAT is what I'm trying to figure out, not how to edit the basic.cfg to make it harder to get them. I already know how to do that.

[Torp III]

Sorry, just working on second cup of coffee and it takes four for this ol farts brain to wake up. I always took that as total score and not what is shown. Doesn't account for upgrades, etc. If you have dummy/test campaign, up the number on that and see what happens.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I've already edited the realism settings so that the game thinks I'm playing at 99% realism even though I'm not. I know I'm getting more renown than I would normally get playing with the realism options I have, which would probably be around 60% if I hadn't fiddled with the relevant files.

CHEATER!




Did you get that idea from me?

I've been doing that for a very long time, which is funny because I never use the renown to buy anything.

As to your question, that now has me puzzled. I too always thought it was the score required for that medal. It certainly seems to work that way for promotions, as GWX changes it to 1499 for the first one, so you become Oberleutnant immediately following the first patrol.

So I don't know about the medals. Sorry to be so little help.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Torp III

Sorry, just working on second cup of coffee and it takes four for this ol farts brain to wake up. I always took that as total score and not what is shown. Doesn't account for upgrades, etc. If you have dummy/test campaign, up the number on that and see what happens.

Please explain the difference between "total score" and "what is shown" - this is actually what I am asking about.

Is the renown the game tells me I have at the end of each patrol not my "total score"? That is one assumption I had when I started that now seems incorrect, because obviously MedalScoreX refers to a number that is NOT the amount of renown the game tells me I have at the end of the patrol where "MedalX" is awarded.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

CHEATER!

Did you get that idea from me?

I've been doing that for a very long time, which is funny because I never use the renown to buy anything.

Well since I'm quite happy with a Type VII I doubt I'll be upgrading anything anytime soon either, except for maybe upgrading from a VIIB to a VIIC and even that's not a given.

As to your question, that now has me puzzled. I too always thought it was the score required for that medal.

I still think it is, but obviously the "score" in question does not equate to the renown the game tells me I have after a patrol. I have always assumed that when I end a patrol, the renown it says I have is my total renown for my career to date. But if that's the case, something else that I don't know about is being added to make up the "score" that awards me the medal I get.

If the renown shown after a patrol is only what I earned on that single patrol, and doesn't include what I got for previous patrols, then yeah I probably qualify for all the medals I've gotten so far if the ending renown for all the patrols are added up. But that seems to me like such an odd way of doing it - like it's keeping your total score a secret unless you make a point of keeping track of it yourself outside the game. Didn't occur to me that this might be exactly what it's doing until now.

[Sailor Steve]

In the center desk at the office is your Patrol history. On the right side of that desk is a thick book marked 'Career History'. That one will give your total renown.

[ryanglavin]

WAIT! BRAIN TELLS ME SOMETHING!

What if there is a hidden variable, like you have to complete X amount of patrols and get this amount of renown to get a medal/promotion. It could also be broken, as you get X amount of renown, but not X amount of patrols, so you would not get the medal until the next patrol.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In the center desk at the office is your Patrol history. On the right side of that desk is a thick book marked 'Career History'. That one will give your total renown.

But the book is in Wilhelmshaven, and I'm somewhere east of Gibraltar!

Oh well I guess I can wait and see what it says when I get back and that should answer my question.