Things We Need an ID For...

[Aramike]

In Wisconsin:

• Buying alcohol/tobacco
• Renting a movie
• Buying "R" rated movie/"M" rated game at many retailers
• Buying cold medicine
• Applying for credit
• Entering a tavern/club/adult establishment

And yet, we don't need an ID to vote. Several attempts were made to add this restriction by Democrat Governor Jim Doyle vetoed them each time uner the auspices that it would disenfranchise voters (including one bill which would have issued FREE identification cards to those least likely to have one).

Excuse me, but really? It doesn't bother local democrats that a senior citizen would have to show ID to buy Nyquil but somehow it's an inconvenience to have to show one to VOTE?

Right now, when one goes to vote, all one must do is state their name and address (assuming they are registered). How does this not leave a door wide open to fraud?

Thoughts?

[mookiemookie]

I believe that ID should be required to vote. The only argument I can see to the contrary is that none of the things you listed are constitutionally guaranteed rights, but I still think pragmatically, ID should be required.

[FIREWALL]

Rent a car.

Buy an airline ticket.

[Platapus]

In Virginia, we have to present ID

[yubba]

Just tell them you are an illegal immigrant. ID I don't have too show, no stinkin ID.

[Castout]

Some people lamented that the result of an election is decided not by the voters but by those who count the ballot.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I believe that ID should be required to vote. The only argument I can see to the contrary is that none of the things you listed are constitutionally guaranteed rights, but I still think pragmatically, ID should be required.

You're exactly right about that - hence my frustration with the Wisconsin democrat (note I say WI) establishment. You said it best: pragmatically. Each citizen's right to vote is endangered when it is possible for a fraudulant vote to be cast on their (or anyone's) behalf.

What I don't understand are the true motivations of the Democrats here - I'd like to think that they would be as against voter fraud as anyone else, but they don't seem to care. Why do they insist upon this faulty disenfranchisment argument when it's clearly absurd AND even then, Republicans have introduced legislation that addresses EVERY SINGLE ONE of their concerns?

Ultimately, it bothers me that the only logical conclusion is that WI democrats feel as though they benefit from voter fraud and therefore wish to keep the avenues of voter fraud open. Any thoughts?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I believe that ID should be required to vote. The only argument I can see to the contrary is that none of the things you listed are constitutionally guaranteed rights, but I still think pragmatically, ID should be required.

We agree on this. People should be enabled to vote, encouraged to vote, as long as they are entitled to vote. And since people will gladly lie about their status, then we all have to show ID.

[Weiss Pinguin]

I'm pretty sure when I went to early voting down here (Texas) I had to present ID of some sort

[SteamWake]

"Picture ID" is required to vote here in florida.

Its already stated so in the ballot so for this election cycle at least.

[Thomen]

It is not just the illegals you guys should be worried about. The legal aliens have far more opportunities to vote.

The only thing you have to show when you register to vote is some form of ID (usually drivers license). Here in Maryland, they will ask you every time you go to the DMV (or MVA) if you want to register to vote. They do not check your legal status, or if you are an alien or not. To obtain a drivers license you need a SSN. To get the SSN you need a work permit. No citizenship required.

When I had my drivers license renewed last month, they did ask me if I wanted to registered to vote. Of course I said no, but regardless, if I wanted to vote, I just need to say "Yes" the next time I am asked. And nobody would stop me.

EDIT:

I guess, my point is, a picture ID is pretty worthless, if it is not some kind of ID that is only available to US citizens.

[ETR3(SS)]

Aren't you glad he's not up for reelection this year then?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Aramike

In Wisconsin:

• Buying alcohol/tobacco
• Renting a movie
• Buying "R" rated movie/"M" rated game at many retailers
• Buying cold medicine
• Applying for credit
• Entering a tavern/club/adult establishment

And yet, we don't need an ID to vote. Several attempts were made to add this restriction by Democrat Governor Jim Doyle vetoed them each time uner the auspices that it would disenfranchise voters (including one bill which would have issued FREE identification cards to those least likely to have one).

Excuse me, but really? It doesn't bother local democrats that a senior citizen would have to show ID to buy Nyquil but somehow it's an inconvenience to have to show one to VOTE?

Right now, when one goes to vote, all one must do is state their name and address (assuming they are registered). How does this not leave a door wide open to fraud?

Thoughts?

I agree with you in that an ID should be a requirement to vote. One citizen, one vote. Prove you are who you are, and that you are here legally.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I agree with you in that an ID should be a requirement to vote. One citizen, one vote. Prove you are who you are, and that you are here legally.

Exactly.

Now does anyone have a logical reason as to why this would be wrong?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Exactly.

Now does anyone have a logical reason as to why this would be wrong?

You can only be against this if for some reason you want to encourage voter fraud.

Anyone who wants voter fraud must know they benefit from it.