Frequent Crashing to Desktop - Heartbroken.

kvbrock82 · 06-23-10, 06:36 AM

Hey guys,

A recent beastly computer purchase in anticipation for SH5 means i can finally play SH4 at full graphics with ease, or so i thought.

I just bought the Gold version, downloaded TMO 1.9 overhauled and installed RSRD 2.0 after it in the mod enabler. I am finding myself having to save every 5 minutes due to the frequency of crashes to desktop and the frustration this is causing me is not healthy. Sometimes the game just freezes up and i cant do anything except a ctrl + alt + del. Other times i get that stupid windows not responding, send a message to microsoft notice.

Here are my specs:
OS Windows 7 64 bit
CPU Intel Core i7-920 Processor
CPU Speed 2673 MHz
MSI ATI R5970-PM2D2G PCIEXPRESS VIDEO CARD 2GB
RAM DDR3 P1600 2GB X3 KIT PATRIOT VIPERLINE GAMER
ASUS MAINBOARD P6T SE
COOLING SYSTEM - COOLIT DOMINO
700W PSU PRO GAMING SILENTPRO FAN ACTIVE PFC - COOLERMASTER
SATA HDD 1TB 7200RPM

Today i will try running TMO alone without RSRD in case of a conflict there. I was running RFB 1.4 before i formatted my PC with next to no trouble.

If anyone had a similar problem and has found a way around please share because this is driving me nuts.

Thanks

PS. I also tried installing the game to C:\ubisoft\SH4 and run the game as admin but still nothing.

kiwi_2005 · 06-23-10, 09:28 AM

Don't know if this would help your problem but if all else fails try changing drivers for your video card.

I was getting a lot of ctd with TM 2.0, no problems with 1.9. Solved the 2.0 crashing by changing video card drivers. Going back to an old driver - 182.50 solved it, I was using the 197.45 drivers before that. (nvidia)

kvbrock82 · 06-23-10, 10:49 AM

Ill see if i can give it a go.. my pc just came back from a service with a full reformat and fresh windows 7 install so messing about with the drivers really isnt at the top of my list

From what ive heard it took a lot of playing around to get the most out of both the HD5970's cores by my technician.

Jan Kyster · 06-23-10, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvbrock82

From what ive heard it took a lot of playing around to get the most out of both the HD5970's cores by my technician.

Really? I would sack him...

Get newest driver here: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx

Do some stress- and memtest on your system to ensure it runs properly.
Then test some clean Silent Hunter 4 runs (delete your documents/sh4 folder first) and then add mods one by one with testings in between...

Running SH4 here with no ctds ever... it can be done.

Oh! And do your Win7 a favour and add another 2 GB RAM. At least.
It just loves RAM!

kvbrock82 · 06-24-10, 03:55 AM

Hey Jan, Isnt 6gb of ddr3 gaming ram enough? If not ill have to wait a couple of months before i add.. cashflow crisis :P I uninstalled the game and all relevant files.. going for a fresh install and slow mod additions as you said. It's gonna be a long night

I was really getting into my last career

... what kind of stress/mem tests methods are there? are there programs to help?

Thanks

Jan Kyster · 06-24-10, 07:58 AM

Yes, 6 GB is mighty fine. Though I'm pretty sure I read it as 2 GB only...

MemTest86 can be found here: http://www.memtest.org/

A fine stresstool here: http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_en/index.php?Download

Or use a demo of FutureMark http://www.futuremark.com/
- or SiSoftSandra http://www.sisoftware.net/

- didn't your 5970 come with a complete version of 3dMark?

If you need help you're welcome to use PM too. Good luck!

Sailor Steve · 06-24-10, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvbrock82

Hey Jan, Isnt 6gb of ddr3 gaming ram enough?

I'm running the game just fine on an ancient machine with 2 GB of old-fashioned DDR RAM, a single-core processor and an ATI 4650, so I doubt that's the problem. Did you try the new drivers as Jan suggested? Have you tried older drivers as Kiwi mentioned? He's not the only one to make that point.

Jan Kyster · 06-24-10, 10:02 AM

Yeah, 2 GB is not a problem per se, but you'll be pleasantly surprised just how much smoother and snappier everything runs with more RAM.

And RAM is very cheap... especially your old-fashioned DDR type, Steve!

A sidenote reg. updating drivers; I don't agree with trying older drivers.
If new drivers are causing problems, then I would make a cleansweep.
Uninstall and cleaning old drivers first, reboot and install newest followed by a final reboot.

Current ATI version is 10.6 and is running perfectly fine!

Now back to second half of Italy-Slovakia!

kvbrock82 · 06-24-10, 01:00 PM

Jan, it was 2gb x3 = 6gb

... I copy/pasted from my invoice thats why it came out like that.

I did a 3dmark vantage test and got good scores on average. Gonna try instal latest drivers and do some of those stress tests. Then gona try a fresh install as said earlier. Ill keep you updated.

kvbrock82 · 06-26-10, 12:18 PM

Officially losing hope now.
Went through the full SH4 fresh installation thread step by step. Reinstalled sh4 Gold to c:\SH4 and ran it on a clean install. I thought it could have been an overheating problem so cranked up the watercooling to full. Was going fine and when i decided i tested it enough i clicked exit to window and there it was once again.. "this program has stopped working correctly, windows will now exit". Maybe this time it was just some freak error since it happened when i clicked to exit myself, so i will try install TMO and try one last time. So frustrating

Sailor Steve · 06-26-10, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Kyster

Yeah, 2 GB is not a problem per se, but you'll be pleasantly surprised just how much smoother and snappier everything runs with more RAM.

And RAM is very cheap... especially your old-fashioned DDR type, Steve!

Funny thing about that. I ordered two more GB just the other day, and it arrived the same day you wrote that. Unfortunately one of the sticks turned out to be bad and it will be another week before I get the replacement set in the mail.

Jan Kyster · 06-26-10, 02:46 PM

Going from two to four GB really gives the system a lift, so you won't regret, Steve.

kvBrock! Just a thought... when you installed SH4, did you let it run the directx9 install as well? If not, please try it.
As far as I remember I had some issues until I installed the 9-version

Back to SA! Penalty kick for USA!!!!

kvbrock82 · 06-26-10, 03:10 PM

yep i install it too.. Just tried my luck again with a full fresh install, disconected Razor headphones in case the drivers were causing it to crash, disconnected modem too. Installed TMO and RSRD.. Same problem, game crashed while on patrol before even coming across first ship.

Cant understand, the game used to run fine before i formatted and was running 1.4 with RFB 1.4. This has frustrated me to no end, its been a full time job for the past week. Im thinking about tossing the bloody thing in the bin. The only thing i havent tried yet is gone back to older drivers, which im quite apprehensive about having spent 800 euro on this graphics card. Which drivers do you think i should roll back to? I dont know where to get the previous drivers too as the ATI site only provides the latest ones.

Jan Kyster · 06-26-10, 04:23 PM

There are no problems with latest driver.

But I just came to think of your A.I. setting in Catalyst Control Panel.
Make sure A.I. is enabled and on the standard setting, not advanced.
This is important since you have a dual core gpu.

Otherwise from that... and if your system passed all stress tests... I'm blank.
SH4 runs here rock solid and never had any glitches, so all I can say is, that it can be done. But that'll probably not cure the broken heart...

/edit: if you insist on trying older drivers, AMD do indeed have them all for you!
Click on your wanted driver and on top of the screen is a link to previous drivers.
Here's for Win7-64 bit: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...w_vista64.aspx

kvbrock82 · 06-26-10, 05:28 PM

Downloaded 10.5 driver, ill install them as a last resort. My CCC was set on basic but for highest settings. Ill go advanced and try run the game with much lower settings and see where it gets me. I used the compatibility technical program that comes with windows 7 and it ran the game for me in windows xp service pack 2 compatibility. I managed to play for an hour until it crashed.

Gonna try the CCC settings, ill be back soon, probably with bad news..

Thanks for your help!

06-23-10, 06:36 AM	#1
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Frequent Crashing to Desktop - Heartbroken. Hey guys, A recent beastly computer purchase in anticipation for SH5 means i can finally play SH4 at full graphics with ease, or so i thought. I just bought the Gold version, downloaded TMO 1.9 overhauled and installed RSRD 2.0 after it in the mod enabler. I am finding myself having to save every 5 minutes due to the frequency of crashes to desktop and the frustration this is causing me is not healthy. Sometimes the game just freezes up and i cant do anything except a ctrl + alt + del. Other times i get that stupid windows not responding, send a message to microsoft notice. Here are my specs: OS Windows 7 64 bit CPU Intel Core i7-920 Processor CPU Speed 2673 MHz MSI ATI R5970-PM2D2G PCIEXPRESS VIDEO CARD 2GB RAM DDR3 P1600 2GB X3 KIT PATRIOT VIPERLINE GAMER ASUS MAINBOARD P6T SE COOLING SYSTEM - COOLIT DOMINO 700W PSU PRO GAMING SILENTPRO FAN ACTIVE PFC - COOLERMASTER SATA HDD 1TB 7200RPM Today i will try running TMO alone without RSRD in case of a conflict there. I was running RFB 1.4 before i formatted my PC with next to no trouble. If anyone had a similar problem and has found a way around please share because this is driving me nuts. Thanks PS. I also tried installing the game to C:\ubisoft\SH4 and run the game as admin but still nothing. Last edited by kvbrock82; 06-23-10 at 06:47 AM.

06-23-10, 09:28 AM	#2
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Don't know if this would help your problem but if all else fails try changing drivers for your video card. I was getting a lot of ctd with TM 2.0, no problems with 1.9. Solved the 2.0 crashing by changing video card drivers. Going back to an old driver - 182.50 solved it, I was using the 197.45 drivers before that. (nvidia) __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

06-24-10, 03:55 AM	#5
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Hey Jan, Isnt 6gb of ddr3 gaming ram enough? If not ill have to wait a couple of months before i add.. cashflow crisis :P I uninstalled the game and all relevant files.. going for a fresh install and slow mod additions as you said. It's gonna be a long night I was really getting into my last career ... what kind of stress/mem tests methods are there? are there programs to help? Thanks Last edited by kvbrock82; 06-24-10 at 04:11 AM.

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06-23-10, 10:49 AM	#3
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Ill see if i can give it a go.. my pc just came back from a service with a full reformat and fresh windows 7 install so messing about with the drivers really isnt at the top of my list From what ive heard it took a lot of playing around to get the most out of both the HD5970's cores by my technician.

06-24-10, 07:58 AM	#6
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Yes, 6 GB is mighty fine. Though I'm pretty sure I read it as 2 GB only... MemTest86 can be found here: http://www.memtest.org/ A fine stresstool here: http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_en/index.php?Download Or use a demo of FutureMark http://www.futuremark.com/ - or SiSoftSandra http://www.sisoftware.net/ - didn't your 5970 come with a complete version of 3dMark? If you need help you're welcome to use PM too. Good luck!

06-24-10, 10:02 AM	#8
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Yeah, 2 GB is not a problem per se, but you'll be pleasantly surprised just how much smoother and snappier everything runs with more RAM. And RAM is very cheap... especially your old-fashioned DDR type, Steve! A sidenote reg. updating drivers; I don't agree with trying older drivers. If new drivers are causing problems, then I would make a cleansweep. Uninstall and cleaning old drivers first, reboot and install newest followed by a final reboot. Current ATI version is 10.6 and is running perfectly fine! Now back to second half of Italy-Slovakia!

06-24-10, 01:00 PM	#9
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Jan, it was 2gb x3 = 6gb ... I copy/pasted from my invoice thats why it came out like that. I did a 3dmark vantage test and got good scores on average. Gonna try instal latest drivers and do some of those stress tests. Then gona try a fresh install as said earlier. Ill keep you updated.

06-26-10, 12:18 PM	#10
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Officially losing hope now. Went through the full SH4 fresh installation thread step by step. Reinstalled sh4 Gold to c:\SH4 and ran it on a clean install. I thought it could have been an overheating problem so cranked up the watercooling to full. Was going fine and when i decided i tested it enough i clicked exit to window and there it was once again.. "this program has stopped working correctly, windows will now exit". Maybe this time it was just some freak error since it happened when i clicked to exit myself, so i will try install TMO and try one last time. So frustrating

06-26-10, 02:46 PM	#12
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Going from two to four GB really gives the system a lift, so you won't regret, Steve. kvBrock! Just a thought... when you installed SH4, did you let it run the directx9 install as well? If not, please try it. As far as I remember I had some issues until I installed the 9-version Back to SA! Penalty kick for USA!!!!

06-26-10, 03:10 PM	#13
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	yep i install it too.. Just tried my luck again with a full fresh install, disconected Razor headphones in case the drivers were causing it to crash, disconnected modem too. Installed TMO and RSRD.. Same problem, game crashed while on patrol before even coming across first ship. Cant understand, the game used to run fine before i formatted and was running 1.4 with RFB 1.4. This has frustrated me to no end, its been a full time job for the past week. Im thinking about tossing the bloody thing in the bin. The only thing i havent tried yet is gone back to older drivers, which im quite apprehensive about having spent 800 euro on this graphics card. Which drivers do you think i should roll back to? I dont know where to get the previous drivers too as the ATI site only provides the latest ones.

06-26-10, 04:23 PM	#14
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	There are no problems with latest driver. But I just came to think of your A.I. setting in Catalyst Control Panel. Make sure A.I. is enabled and on the standard setting, not advanced. This is important since you have a dual core gpu. Otherwise from that... and if your system passed all stress tests... I'm blank. SH4 runs here rock solid and never had any glitches, so all I can say is, that it can be done. But that'll probably not cure the broken heart... /edit: if you insist on trying older drivers, AMD do indeed have them all for you! Click on your wanted driver and on top of the screen is a link to previous drivers. Here's for Win7-64 bit: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...w_vista64.aspx

06-26-10, 05:28 PM	#15
kvbrock82 Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 137 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Downloaded 10.5 driver, ill install them as a last resort. My CCC was set on basic but for highest settings. Ill go advanced and try run the game with much lower settings and see where it gets me. I used the compatibility technical program that comes with windows 7 and it ran the game for me in windows xp service pack 2 compatibility. I managed to play for an hour until it crashed. Gonna try the CCC settings, ill be back soon, probably with bad news.. Thanks for your help!