Grammar school must be out ....

[PappyCain]

How people play is none of my business but it is dismaying to this old fart how cheating has become the norm - even in a sim.

This sim has to be one of the best world war efforts ever produced. The GMX version is truly better than some of the military sims I have used where training is executed with state of the art million dollar infrastructure.

I am amazed at the accuracy, the level of graphics and the historic research on the technology.

Yet again and again I keep reading how folks paint their boats day glo colors, listen to metallic or rapster music, look to tweak files so boats go 50 knots, carry armament that is ridiculous to the era, claiming a dozen warships and 2 dozen merchants on a single patrol and rack up millions of tons.

I do not understand why someone thinks it is cool to cheat a sim, why? What is the point? The experience, the reward is in playing to the era conditions or go play pokemon if one needs flames and loud noises for stimulation.

Ok. I am old. haha. Old school. Sure I don't twitter, dweeb, thumb text and whatever ... but what a waste to try to have to cheat a sim to boast an ego and then post it as if it was a great acomplishment!!

Anyway, before I am kicked out of this forum for airing ... I sure would love to know who plays this sim properly. Could you please privately post me a short message. Those folks are the ones whose posts I will look to read. Thanks and salute to all. Whatever floats your boat.

[TabbyHunter]

I have one mod, XXI in 39. Mainly cause i cant get a career past june of 43. And, i boost surface speed to a max of 30 knots, though my XXI has somehow gotten to 44ish on a realy calm sea.

Main reason is that even at 1024 TC, 15-18knots is slow. And yes, for the longest time i didnt edit the game at all.

[PappyCain]

How you play is your thing and I am sorry if I sound like I am judging anyone in particular - what I am trying to do is find the folks who are true afficinados of history and maybe lobby for a special section or thread here for those who play advanced to era technology and standards with hard core immersion. I recognize there are private sites, but something here would be great for like minded. Salute all!

[STEED]

People play the game they like, if we all played it the same way, had the same three square meals a day, voted for the same party...so on, the world would be very, very boring.

Originally Posted by STEED

People play the game they like, if we all played it the same way, had the same three square meals a day, voted for the same party...so on, the world would be very, very boring.

Or we can always establish some sort of cult and declare war on those who don`t play our way.
You boat configuration files different from mine= boom head shot
You don`t play with 100% realism=boom head shot
You think that Sh5 is a pile of @@@@=boom head shot
You don`t believe that Ubi$oft is our lord and savior = BOOM double head shot "resurrected" boom head shot

Classic

[PappyCain]

Ok. My error for looking for those who might like history! and playing to history. Much could have been worked on a NEW thread that promoted historic issues and play - but hey, my poor judgement for wishing to find 'like-minded'. BTW I had a part in the U.S.–Israeli team finding and identifying at 9,800 fsw your INS Dakar, the former modified British T-class submarine lost in the Med in '68.


... thanks to all those posting positive IMs to me, I appreciate knowing who you are.


S'

[comet61]

I usually chalk it up to those that have "what if" or "can I" syndromes. No harm in it I guess. There are some cheats out there not to mention tools that make things way too easy to the point that realism is out the door. I re-skin all of my boats myself for each and different boats I use on particular careers and each one is unique to that boat. I did in fact make one skin that was bright pink with white polka-dots...just to see what it looked like in game. It was funny. It was one of my goofy "what if" moments.

I am with you on one aspect and that is I like realism as much as possible. In the real life U-Boat world, it was tough. But they did their job as best as they could with what they had to use. SHIII is one of the best Subsims out there that enables us to use whatever level of play we wish. Granted, there are those that don't like the "complications" of realism and then there are those that are completely opposite. I use GWX and Magui mods not to mention several minor mods as well to enhance the realism. I even have edited *.dat and *.cfg files to further the realism to my liking.

I begrudged no one if they want to make changes out of the oridinary. If they're having fun...so be it.

[PappyCain]

Again, whatever floats your boat!

I am just trying to seek out (for me) those 'like minded' who prefer to play to the sim's maximum potential and to historic parameters - that is all.

Hard to find semi-serious posts related to historic facts as it relates to how best to deploy true tactics, best use technology and measure results against a historic benchmark, not arcade play... and actually appreciate the time machine into the true past, not one's creatively altered imagination.

S'
PC

So, who are we old fuddys? IM me if you care to. I am heading out the door in my wheel chair ...

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[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by PappyCain

I sure would love to know who plays this sim properly.

I play SH3 to enjoy the experience of playing SH3. As long as I'm enjoying myself, I *am* playing it properly.

"100% realism" is an impossibility anyway. No matter how far I jacked up the realism options included with the stock game, no matter how many mods I added to increase it even more, I'd still be sitting in a comfy chair in my jammies staring into a computer monitor while pretending to command a u-boat. So AFAIK where anybody draws the "realism line" is a matter of personal preference.

[PappyCain]

Again, play as you wish.

My point to be clear is for me to find those like minded folks who play to historic values. I do not wish to lecture or be lectured nor wish this to be a post war. You are all nice folks!!


I just want to find those who like historic values - it is not about realism settings. It is a sim and sims are smoke and mirrors anyway. Some of us have actually lived the real deal in the military, at sea or undersea, so we know it is a 'game'.

Again anyone who likes and appreciates history and applying the sim to history, I would love to hear from ya!

[firefighter26]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I play SH3 to enjoy the experience of playing SH3. As long as I'm enjoying myself, I *am* playing it properly.

"100% realism" is an impossibility anyway. No matter how far I jacked up the realism options included with the stock game, no matter how many mods I added to increase it even more, I'd still be sitting in a comfy chair in my jammies staring into a computer monitor while pretending to command a u-boat. So AFAIK where anybody draws the "realism line" is a matter of personal preference.

I'll echo this as my thoughts are pretty close to it. I am installing GWX3.0 this evening and starting my first career within in. Pretty excited actually, as I have heard nothing but good things.

I like simulations for their truth to history, or at least what we think to be history, but that is another thread!

I find myself doing things in the game that, while I know don't have any real effect on the game, a 'real' u-boat officer would probably do. Case in point, surfacing the boat. I'll go to periscope depth first, ease the scope up till it is just out of the water and have a 360 look for close contacts. After, I'll raise it the rest of the way, doing another 360, looking for distant contacts. Depending on weather or time of day, I'll do a 3rd 360 to scan the clouds for air contacts.

I know that the chance of getting ambushed on the surface because I didn't do a visual check is pretty low. The sonar operator would tell me if there were any contacts, but I play under the pre-tense that it is an imperfect machine manned my an imperfect person, both capable of mistakes; thus as a responsible officer, I will take the time to do a visual check each and every time I surface. Hell, today's modern nuclear boats do the same thing!

I am still learning manual targeting, so I let the Weapon's Office make my targeting solutions. However, I have no problems changing and tweaking them to try to put the torpedo into a different part of the ship, or to have it run shallow or deeper, etc, etc. I figure my own imperfections and lack of experience will offset the WO AI's perfect solution to give me something closer to a real life calculation.

But, there is only so far the simulation can go, only so much the AI is capable of doing. Shelling ships on the surface, for example. The target usually just keeps the same course and speed while I pump a few rounds into it. Might be different in GWX, but so far it is predictable. If I was a merchant captain and a u-boat was on the surfacing targeting me, I would zig zag all over the place, and most definitely plot a collision course to either drive him deep or sink him outright.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by PappyCain

How people play is none of my business but it is dismaying to this old fart how cheating has become the norm - even in a sim.

I don't follow the use of the word cheating. How can someone cheat in a single player game? No one is keeping score here. It is kinda like golf, the Kaluen is really playing against themselves.

I may think it is silly to enable a mod that allows the submarine to cruise at 50 kts and launch nuclear torpedoes, but I would not think that would be cheating... just being silly.

This is, after, just a video game. People should be playing this game for fun and amusement. If someone wants to enable silly mod for their enjoyment, it in no way, diminishes the way you choose to play a video game.

I do not understand why someone thinks it is cool to cheat a sim, why? What is the point? The experience, the reward is in playing to the era conditions or go play pokemon if one needs flames and loud noises for stimulation.

Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Other people may play this video game for a different thrill. We should be open to all subsim play styles.

Anyway, before I am kicked out of this forum for airing ... I sure would love to know who plays this sim properly. Could you please privately post me a short message. Those folks are the ones whose posts I will look to read. Thanks and salute to all. Whatever floats your boat.

I am sorry you feel that you need to judge people's posts on their play style. I don't think this exclusivity attitude is good for this board or for the Subsim community. Everyone plays this video game properly. They just may not play how you choose to play it. But that does not make them any less a subsimmer, simply because they don't emulate your play style.

I wish you luck in floating your boat, for evidently what floats your boat does not float mine.

[PappyCain]

The post is intended for me to find folks who play the sim to historic values. If you choose to play arcade style that is your business. You do not need to defend yourself. My post. My standards, my request for me to find fellow club members. Some people like professional golf, some like miniature golf. I am looking for professional golf players. Enjoy your miniature golf. You bought the sim and you can play anyway you wish! As a Navy Seal, BUD/S trained, you should understand what it is I am saying.

I admit that I rarely play.
But I do mod for Historic reasons.
I've never done a Flying Sub for release.
Nor advised for 'unreal' stuff.
And I won't.

This is PappyCain's thread with a simple question.
If it offends your playing/modding style?
Why not start a new thread and go from there.

(And I believe Platapus only got the Navy Seal for posts.
Not that he's a Real Seal.)

[ryanglavin]

On a follow up post, I play as realistically as possible. As in, if I see a destroyer, I go down to 160 meters, not start shooting at it with my main cannon at 6000 meters.