Arizona's Law

[Freiwillige]

Foreigners who enter the country illegally, or under false pretenses, may be imprisoned.

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined, or imprisoned. (Article 116)

Foreigners who sign government documents "With a signature that is false or different from one he normally uses" Are subject to fines and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the laws shall be fined, deported and/or imprisoned as felons

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished (Article 117) Foreigners who are deported from this country and try to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for ten years. (Article 118)

Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to 6 years in prison (Articles 119, 120, 121) Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in this country-such as working without a permit-can also be imprisoned.

A penalty of up to two years in prison and a three hundred to five thousand dollar will be imposed on any foreigner who enters this country illegally. (Article 123)

A citizen of this country who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in this country is subject to five years in prison (Article 127)


Except this is not Arizona's law, It is Mexico's!

Could you imagine the barbarism we would be accused of if these were our laws?

[mookiemookie]

Using a craphole country like Mexico's immigration laws as a moral yardstick for our own doesn't say much.

[GoldenRivet]

frankly, i think the United States should adopt most of those laws.

Anyone who cannot recognize the economic drain these illegals represent is BLIND

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Using a craphole country like Mexico's immigration laws as a moral yardstick for our own doesn't say much.

But you want those that elected the people that made those "craphole" laws to become an important voting block in the US?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

There seems to be so much discussion about this law that perhaps it's time to merge all the threads.

[Noren]

On a slightly positive note: all those mexicans, are they not doing tedious labour that most americans shun at, while providing for themselves and at the same time keeping production costs way low?

Could you imagine the barbarism we would be accused of if these were our laws?

Would you like to run through the federal laws of the United States and show how different they are to mexicos, actually you may well find that some of America penalties for those offences are higher than the "barbarism" you describe, for example even a simple visa fraud which Mexico barbarously gives 6 years for merits 10 years in America for the basic crime stretching out to 25 yars for more serious cases.

You might have a point with fake marriages though, lots of countries have jail terms similar to Mexicos, but America only has fines, six months prison then deportation.

So the only deduction possible is that when you wrote about imagine the outcry if these were American laws you were just demonstrating that you don't know much about American laws at all.
Come to think of it didn't you claim recently that the treaty of Hidalgo expelled all Mexicans from the territory america gained

frankly, i think the United States should adopt most of those laws.

don't you mean that America should spend more money and effort in enforcing those very same laws it already has.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by Noren

On a slightly positive note: all those mexicans, are they not doing tedious labour that most americans shun at, while providing for themselves and at the same time keeping production costs way low?

Myth. Illegal labor drives wages down across the board. The great lie that Americans do not want to work these tedious jobs is just that...A lie. When the wages are driven into the dirt by surplus cheap labor well then of course nobody in their right mind is going to want to work for 4 dollars an hour when minimum wage is almost double that! But their are legal immigrants who would work those jobs as well as born Americans that would work those jobs for minimum wage. Its all greed that fuels these company's that want to pay half under the table than what is deserved plus they don't have to worry about paying overtime or medical (Tax payers do that) Etc.

So its a two way street since these company's exploit the cheap labor yet the cheap labor has little option but to be exploited.

[krashkart]

Frankly, I think we need to worry more about those whales off our coasts. They beach themselves from time to time, and then what do they do? They just lay there working on their tan. The least they could do is pick up the trash we leave behind. Damned whales.

cheap labor

Free market, good

minimum wage

government regulation, bad

Its all greed

Pure capitalism and the aquisition of wealth, good

paying overtime

Bloody unions insisting on employment deals, bad

Come on Frei ,these are all gripes against your usual preferences

Frankly, I think we need to worry more about those whales off our coasts. They beach themselves from time to time,

I don't mind whales off the coast, but when they come on the beach without proper documentation it is a barbarous outrage.

and then what do they do? They just lay there working on their tan.

and I bet they are sucking off the welfare teat while they lay around doing nothing and stealing jobs while waiting to have anchor baby whales on the beach.
We neede to be more like the Japanese and take the fight to the whales to protect our beaches from this illegal horde swamping our shores.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I don't mind whales off the coast, but when they come on the beach without proper documentation it is a barbarous outrage.


and I bet they are sucking off the welfare teat while they lay around doing nothing and stealing jobs while waiting to have anchor baby whales on the beach.
We neede to be more like the Japanese and take the fight to the whales to protect our beaches from this illegal horde swamping our shores.

Beached whales usually don't have a chance to take advantage of welfare. People see a beached whale and find ways to move them back into the water, where they belong. My gripe is simply that the whales refuse to clean up the beaches that they illegally park themselves on.

I honestly didn't expect to get a reply on that one. Thanks for playing along.

Beached whales usually don't have a chance to take advantage of welfare.

Given half a chance some bleeding heart liberal will ensure they get it, they will even campaign to get special welfare offices set up on the beach just for undocumented whales.
It wouldn't happen in Mexico I tell ya, they know what to do with foriegn whales down there.

I honestly didn't expect to get a reply on that one.

Why not? it made just as much sense as the opening post does

[SteamWake]

Frankly when you get down to it the main difference between Mexico's law and the US is that Mexico enforces theirs... with a vengance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Noren

On a slightly positive note: all those mexicans, are they not doing tedious labour that most americans shun at, while providing for themselves and at the same time keeping production costs way low?

No, they do not do tedious labor. They do any job far below minimum wage. What production? These folks are usually in the service industries. The employers need to be addressed. Some have been addressed and usually there is outrage. So who really is to blame? The fence? The employers? The local people who hire them below minimum wage to handle the yard work? The laws that are never enforced? All of it needs to be blamed. But, using the thought that the illegals do the jobs American would not is nothing but a cop out. There are plenty of Americans that cut grass, wait tables and clean pools.

[tater]

Tribesman, many of us have no problem with letting mexicans come in legally. Or having a guest worker program to allow them to work. Those of us in that camp just want them to be here LEGALLY, and vetted by the government. If Arturo wants to come and work hard, he's welcome, I just want to make sure he's not Muhammad the would-be suicide bomber.

Legal immigration: good.
Illegal immigration: bad.