The Reason Why DRM Didn't(!) Fail

[snapli]

Dear all,

I have to start a new thread because almost everybody here believes now that SH5 is cr***ed already and that DRM is a big failure.

Here's the reason why I'm convinced, it's not:

All of you didn't purchase a complete game, but only fragments of it. The (illegal) copies are fragments, too. Therefore it makes perfect sense for UBI not to put any efforts in preventing pirates from removing the 'staying online' requirement. At some point, the game needs data from the web to continue, that's the point where the cr**k will fail.

So, honest buyers will still have to deal with the DRM-restrictions, but they are not 'outplayed' by owners of illegal copies

Cheers

[urfisch]

just found:

(EDIT: reference to pirated 1.1 update patch for sh5 removed - lets not advertise it please)

lol...but in the core, you are right.

[Feuer Frei!]

Hmmm. so ******** wasted their time....i doubt that
and no, i don't have a you know what copy...
however, doesn't look like just a no-cd to me...
more went into it...
all i need/want to add to this you know what thread, or any others like it is:

[IpseDixit]

Even if I were to go down that dark and unsavory path with SH5, I've paid enough attention to the 'warez scene' to know that most of the guys who crack this stuff have their ADD kick in somewhere around the time of the second or third patch, and then no more 'cracked' patches are forthcoming.

Given from what I've heard so far in this forum I could clearly see Silent Hunter 5 going through more revisions than the Duggars and Octomon have children (combined!), I think you're best off buying a copy and sparing yourself the heartache and sleepless nights.

[Letum]

Until a mod comes along:

Everyone should read this sticky, updated not but a few hours ago:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155270

This kind of discussion is not allowed here at Subsim. Take it elsewhere.

All discussion on these topics is not permitted. Full stop.

SUBSIM Review has a longstanding policy against software piracy. We do NOT allow discussion or even mention of warez, abandonware, peer-to-peer game swapping, illegal download sites, or rip-off websites. Nothing will get you banned faster than pointing people to illegal software distribution sites. Don't ask for serial numbers, manuals, or cracks. Any admission that you have in your possession illegal software can and usually will result in revocation of your Radio Room forum account. Support computer game programmers buy legally purchasing their work. They have to eat too, you know.

[snapli]

Originally Posted by Letum

Until a mod comes along:

Everyone should read this sticky, updated not but a few hours ago:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155270

This kind of discussion is not allowed here at Subsim. Take it elsewhere.

All discussion on these topics is not permitted. Full stop.

I'm fine with that, totally.

But in the thread you mentioned everyone talks about the 'fact' that SH5 can be played illegally. IMO, that's not the case and people should stop trying.

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by urfisch

just found:
lol...but in the core, you are right.

Don't you understand, it's illegal to talk about it here.
Post reported.

[urfisch]

thank you...

[Zachstar]

That is one of the weirdest posts I have ever seen on this forum. (And note the amount of time I spend in general for how I view that)

I could care less about being "outplayed" If I have to have DRM (And I support light DRM these days) It HAS to be unobtrusive and adaptive to the user situation. I just want to play the damn game and an always on requirement means that things COMPLETELY outside my control (You cant have a backup Internet) can prevent that.

People moan about Steam even tho it has a fully complete offline play function built right in. Its DRM that works and seeing that Ubisoft uses steam why on EARTH would they not offer their games without their silly DRM?

[snapli]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

That is one of the weirdest posts I have ever seen on this forum. (And note the amount of time I spend in general for how I view that)

I could care less about being "outplayed" If I have to have DRM (And I support light DRM these days) It HAS to be unobtrusive and adaptive to the user situation. I just want to play the damn game and an always on requirement means that things COMPLETELY outside my control (You cant have a backup Internet) can prevent that.

People moan about Steam even tho it has a fully complete offline play function built right in. Its DRM that works and seeing that Ubisoft uses steam why on EARTH would they not offer their games without their silly DRM?

Excuse me, why is it 'weird'? I don't like the requirement to be online all the time, either. If DRM's purpose is to lockout people playing illegal copies, than this might be the way how it works, here.

[snapli]

Nothing official, but almost everybody who didn't pay for his 'copy' of SH5 experiences major problems with the mission management; just follow their comments

How can most people here assume that the permanent connection is only required to gather information about you and your playing habits? You mostly download game data in the background. If UBI plays it right, no group will ever grap the whole game content in their 'releases'

To quote (and add to) Neil:
Ubisoft: +1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) -1 (bad press) = -1
Pirates: -1
Consumers: -1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) +1 (no working illegal copies) = -1

So, only losers here ...?

[ryuzu]

I think there is a big misconception about game DRM at the moment.

From our perspective as gamers we just can't understand why a company like Ubi implements such security which gets in the way of our enjoyment of a purchased product and yet is cracked in short order....

The problem is this - we don't understand why Ubi and other games are using security now!

The reality is that from their perspective they lose money due to open piracy and to used game sales - security has not stopped piracy but it HAS stopped used PC Game sales. This is the reason why digital distribution is also doing well - you can't resell it.

Based on the legal aspects of software purchasing, reselling of games (or any software) isn't strictly speaking in accordance with the Terms of purchase but is generally considered "morally" ok. With these security methods though, Ubi effectively cut off that whole aspect thus protecting at least a portion of their revenue.

They're (not just Ubi, all the big companies) doing this with video game consoles as well by releasing downloadable content with various keys etc. In fact I think it was activision who wanted to provide a key so the ending of a game could be downloaded to a console only once thus stopping any used game selling....


So, DRM is working as far as Ubi are concerned since it has killed a market that up until a few years ago was a big source of lost revenue.

Pirates will always pirate, but the used game purchaser who *thinks* they're playing by the book (although as I mentioned that is questionable) is forced to buy new or don't buy.

r.

[Dowly]

Another misinformed invidual trying to praise the gaming business' draconian efforts to control it's customers.

And no, I didn't pirate it, this has nothing to do with that. What this is all about is to make the gaming business realise they are fighting a war they can't win and that they should stop and put the money they use for their POS DRM's to the game instead.

[gamingdave]

Originally Posted by ryuzu

I think there is a big misconception about game DRM at the moment

.....

The reality is that from their perspective they lose money due to open piracy and to used game sales - security has not stopped piracy but it HAS stopped used PC Game sales. This is the reason why digital distribution is also doing well - you can't resell it.

....

So, DRM is working as far as Ubi are concerned since it has killed a market that up until a few years ago was a big source of lost revenue.

Nail on head.

It has nothing to do with piracy, and all to do with second hand sales. The "DRM" has been cracked, and was always going to be cracked instantly. Software always is, including very expensive suites for creative industries. The patches will be hacked very quickly aswell.

The game does not download anything when you are playing, neither does Assasins Creed 2. Of course Ubi came out yesterday and said that users not playing legit copies are not playing the full game, but really thats all just words.

DRM didnt stop me buying SHV as soon as I could, and its a keeper so I wouldnt care about resale anyway. Doesnt meen I have to like the DRM though, and its quite clear its not going to affect piracy.

[Apos]

Originally Posted by snapli

To quote (and add to) Neil:
Ubisoft: +1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) -1 (bad press) = -1
Pirates: -1
Consumers: -1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) +1 (no working illegal copies) = -1

So, only losers here ...?

Its mentioned wrong:

Players: -1 (DRM), -1 (bugs), -1 (SHV is arcadish, needed to modded) = -3
Pirates: -1 (till it will be cracked properly) = -1
Ubi: +1 (DRM), +5 (cash income from sells), -1 (bad press) = 5

cheers