GWX2.1...no crush depth mod?

[prowler3]

Back in the day...several years ago before GWX...I had 2 mods installed. One allowed you to change the crush depth of various u-boats to more historically realistic numbers (supposedly!) and the other changed your depth gauges to reflect this change. They were:
SH3CrushDepthV2_build12
DepthGaugeMoD14(1.4ready)

The SH3CrushDepthV2 ran as a seperate modding program and not in JSGME.

I don't see any type of crush depth correction mod in GWX 2.1. So...

1. Are there newer crush depth and gauge mods that perform this function?
2. More importantly, are they (new or the above mentioned) compatible with GWX2.1?

First of many questions as I've been gone from SH3 for quite awhile. Got me a new system and I'm ready to R&R with SH3 but I want to do it right...and not have to backtrack in mid campaign because I did something wrong .
Please bear with me!
Vic

[Tango589]

I've not heard of this mod, but if you install SH3Cmndr hen you have the option to randomise the crush depth for your boat. It gives you a new crush depth that is a certain percentage above or below the standard depth, but you don't know what the percentage is, so dive carefully.....

[danlisa]

I remember both mods. The crush depth program was developed to correct Stock SH3 issues. It's now been taken care of, no need for the separate proggy.

Firstly, GWX has (as near as possible) accurate Crush Depths but as Tango says, SH3 Commander can randomise this for you. FYI, in GWX you can go a lot deeper than the guage allows for but be careful.

The 400m depth gauge. As the XXI historically was the only UBoat rated anywhere near that depth, it's the only boat that should have it. The type 2, 7 & 9s should keep their current guages. Besides, where's the fun in knowing when your boat is going to implode.

[Graf Paper]

The Crush Depth mod shouldn't be all that difficult to update for GWX 2.0/2.1.

I'm not as certain about the dials as that would require ensuring it works with and without the Integrated Orders mod and/or OLCGUI (and other popular UI mods these days).

[prowler3]

Thanks guys!

[JScones]

As others have stated, if you are running SH3Cmdr then you are essentially running SH3CrushDepthV2 (assuming you select the crush depth option of course).

SH3CrushDepthV2_build12 can be found on FileFront, and IIRC should work with GWX "out-of-the-box". I say IIRC because I can't remember if TT uses an absolute or dynamic way to find the value to change.

[prowler3]

Originally Posted by JScones

As others have stated, if you are running SH3Cmdr then you are essentially running SH3CrushDepthV2 (assuming you select the crush depth option of course).

SH3CrushDepthV2_build12 can be found on FileFront, and IIRC should work with GWX "out-of-the-box". I say IIRC because I can't remember if TT uses an absolute or dynamic way to find the value to change.

Thank you...for everything you have brought to SH3. I am a bit confused on your statement, however. If I understand correctly, the "Crush Depth option" you mention in SH3Cmdr makes my crush depth a random number. I would rather have a known crush depth for each of my sub models but still have it more historically accurate than stock...or am I missing something?

Thanks for your patience and help, everyone.

[Graf Paper]

You could also just use Notepad to edit each of the NSS_uboatXX.CFG files to set the crush depth values to whatever you prefer (where XX is the type) :

[Properties]
PeriscopeDepth=13;meters 12.5
SnorkelDepth=13;meters 12.5
CrashDepth=70;meters
MaxDepth=220;meters  <----Here's where you set the crush depth
SurfaceDepth=8;meters
TorpLaunchMaxDepth=20;meters
StormConditions=11,0.4;max wind speed [m/s], max rain intensity [0,1]

Just look in each u-boat's folder located in :

C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\SilentHunterIII\data\Submarine\NSS_UboatXX

Where 'XX' is the u-boat type you wish to modify.

...or use the "Randomize Crush Depth" feature in SH3Cmdr and then edit the crush depths listed in the SH3 options.cfg file (located in C:\Program Files\SH3 Commander\Cfg) :

[CRUSH DEPTH] ;TURN FEATURE ON/OFF FROM WITHIN SH3 COMMANDER
;"Randomise U-boat crush depth" option
;<SUBTYPE>=<folder/file name>|<default crush depth in metres>
;Upper and Lower provides the randomisation range
;Written to each sub's .zon file
Upper=1   <-------These are the max depth modifiers that give a range
Lower=0.9 <-------from 100% to 90% of base max crush depth

IIA=NSS_Uboat2A|175<--Base max crush depth value used for each u-boat
IID=NSS_Uboat2D|200
IXB=NSS_Uboat9b|275
IXC=NSS_Uboat9c|275
IXC/40=NSS_Uboat9c|275
IXD2=NSS_Uboat9d2|275
VIIB=NSS_Uboat7b|250
VIIC=NSS_Uboat7c|300
VIIC/41=NSS_Uboat7c|350
VIIC/42=NSS_Uboat7c|450
XXI=NSS_Uboat21|350

It modifies the value slightly so you'd only know approximately what your max depth would be.

I prefer it this way. That tiny bit of doubt adds to the drama and tension, IMHO, giving you some real "Das Boot" moments (as it is popularly described around here).

[prowler3]

Thanks Graf Paper! After a bit of thought I'll go with the SH3Cmdr "Randomize crush depth" setting. I originally wanted to eliminate any grey areas until I got back into my SH3 comfort zone (it's been awhile!) but...what the heck...might as well add another layer of "scared the crap outta myself" right from the start!

Thanks for the info...I'm saving that.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by prowler3

I am a bit confused on your statement, however. If I understand correctly, the "Crush Depth option" you mention in SH3Cmdr makes my crush depth a random number. I would rather have a known crush depth for each of my sub models but still have it more historically accurate than stock...or am I missing something?

Well, not knowing the exact crush depth is the intent. I mean, what you read in books is only theoretical anyway, for obvious reasons.

However, if you want a set depth, then simply edit SH3 options.cfg as thus:

[CRUSH DEPTH] ;TURN FEATURE ON/OFF FROM WITHIN SH3 COMMANDER
;"Randomise U-boat crush depth" option
;<SUBTYPE>=<folder/file name>|<default crush depth in metres>
;Upper and Lower provides the randomisation range
;Written to each sub's .zon file
Upper=1  <-------keep at 1 
Lower=1  <-------change to 1
IIA=NSS_Uboat2A|175  <--then whatever you set here will be the *exact* depth used *every* time
IID=NSS_Uboat2D|200  <--etc
IXB=NSS_Uboat9b|275  <--etc
IXC=NSS_Uboat9c|275
IXC/40=NSS_Uboat9c|275
IXD2=NSS_Uboat9d2|275
VIIB=NSS_Uboat7b|250
VIIC=NSS_Uboat7c|300
VIIC/41=NSS_Uboat7c|350
VIIC/42=NSS_Uboat7c|450
XXI=NSS_Uboat21|350

[Graf Paper]

Thanks for the assist, Jaesen!

Good to see you again! Been missing your ugly mug.

[prowler3]

Thanks J! I think I'll keep the "scary, pee your pants factor" for now. If I'm diving to near crush depth...I've done something bad wrong and people are hunting me...why not pay for the original mistake with a bit more drama??

You guys are great, y'know?

[Graf Paper]

Glad you could find what you needed in all these ramblings, prowler.

I have to give most of the credit to Jaesen. His readmes and manual for Sh3 Commander makes nearly everything about that masterpiece fairly simple to understand.

I want to be a great programmer like him when I grow up!

You done good, Mr. Jones!

[prowler3]

Originally Posted by Graf Paper

Glad you could find what you needed in all these ramblings, prowler.

I have to give most of the credit to Jaesen. His readmes and manual for Sh3 Commander makes nearly everything about that masterpiece fairly simple to understand.

I want to be a great programmer like him when I grow up!

You done good, Mr. Jones!

I'll gladly second that motion! In any "game", be it MSFS, SH or any other...a few really brilliant people come to the fore. They make such an extreme contribution to the understanding and improvement of said program...that it becomes hard to imagine running it without the benefit of their efforts. Jaesen is one of those...without a doubt.

[meduza]

VIIC/42=NSS_Uboat7c|450

Does that mean I can take the VIIC/42 to 450m? I've never managed to go past 270m without starting to take damage, with or without SH3 Commander. :hmm: