Syrian / Iraqi WMD's and reactors

[SUBMAN1]

The pieces are all coming together now. We knew the Syrians smuggled Saddam’s reactor parts. Dave Gaubatz said the Iraqis’ and Russians moved them to Syria. In case you forgot that story, you can read it here:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=502

I quote the above article: “…That, he says, is precisely what happened. He subsequently learned from Iraqi, CIA and British intelligence that the WMD buried in the four sites were excavated by Iraqis and Syrians, with help from the Russians, and moved to Syria. The location in Syria of this material, he says, is also known to these intelligence agencies. The worst-case scenario has now come about. Saddam’s nuclear, biological and chemical material is in the hands of a rogue terrorist state — and one with close links to Iran.”

So Israel waited for the parts to be installed in the building, and the reactor coming close to completion to make sure everything was destroyed, and then launched a secret air strike. Do I have it correct now?

Anyway, here are the pics from the site the Isreali’s hit:



Notice that 1. Syrian’s are not complaining too much about it, and that 2. They completely removed the building and scraped the sand of the target area – why? To remove the evidence!!!! If the site were innocent, they would have left the bomb craters for the world to see, but instead they did a mad rush to clean up the place so no one can see what was going on!

So my conclusion is as of this month, Saddam’s centrifuge and reactor parts are now completely destroyed and no longer present a threat, thanks to the Israeli’s. There is a downside – Syria probably learned enough from the parts to construct their own, and will probably have another reactor in 10 years or less.

This is my 2 cents on this situation.

-S

PS. The whole article can be read here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7063135.stm

All the non statements from the Syrians, Israelis and GWB (US), and the complaints by North Korea, were enough for me to know that something was a foot.

The pictures place the period on the episode.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

and thanks to the israelis they have 200-300 nuclear weapons courtesy of the U.S taxpayers dollars, the near arab countries dont have any nuclear weapons due to israel whining about them... now who can bully them around and be king of the middle east??? when Iran gets nukes.. Israel wont be so stupid as to wage riduculous wars for stupid reasons (ie the lebanon "war" more like genocide, over 2 kidnapped soldiers..)

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[SUBMAN1]

Way to hijack a thread Elite Hunter. We weren't talking about the Palestinians, and you must analyze why they died anyway instead of throwing up some arbitrary number. Need I remind you that the Isrealies built their own nukes - to much of the dislike of the US. So no, it is not taxpayer funded. Please stick to the topic anyway.

Let me remind you - WMD's in Iraq / Syria, and Reactors. Notice the title topic.

Besides - all our weapons we gave them was well spent - look what job they did on that nuke reactor above. We should give them a ton more money $$$$$$$!!!

-S

[elite_hunter_sh3]

let me remind you that a country( who has 300 weapons of mass destruction) technically at war with other countries while they complain about their enemies having nukes.. can you think of a reason why??? so they can have the tactical advantage.. palestine is one of the "battlegrounds" in their little fiasco.... america and former USSR had and still have nukes (now Russia), and are they at war with each other??? no... did they nuke each other to radioactive dust in the 60s and 70s??? no... so why is the middle east any different....

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

let me remind you that a country( who has 300 weapons of mass destruction) technically at war with other countries while they complain about their enemies having nukes.. can you think of a reason why??? so they can have the tactical advantage.. palestine is one of the "battlegrounds" in their little fiasco.... america and former USSR had and still have nukes (now Russia), and are they at war with each other??? no... did they nuke each other to radioactive dust in the 60s and 70s??? no... so why is the middle east any different....

That is where you've got your facts wrong. They are not at war with the other countries, but the other countries are at war with Israel for simply being on Isreal's own home turf - turf it has owned thousands of years BC. And, how many times has Israel been attacked? Notice they don't start the wars, they finish them however. And good for them for bonking those aggressive little heads back to where they belong. These same countries threaten to nuke Israel on a daily basis, and you think Israel is to blame for wanting to defend the right to exist? Maybe they should use their nukes to nuke the aggressors back to the stone age.

So get your facts right or go back to school before replying. It's pretty pathetic.

-S

The Iranian leader tells us that their nuclear program is for peaceful, non-military, purposes. Are you saying that is not the case elite_hunter_sh3? If so; why do you want to allow a nation which has refuted the holocaust as fiction, expressed on many occasions, the the disire to destroy of other sovergien nations, and a leader with apocolipitic beliefs, the means to carry out those beliefs and desires?

[Skybird]

If only there would be evidence for Dave Gaubartz's credibility from an independant source. Ultra-conservative blogs, Israeli lobbyists and friends of a new American Century unfortunately are not under suspicion to be free of bias, and Gaubartz so far offers no evidence for his claims, just his words, and a smooth theory. If that theory is true or conspiracy, I find hard to judge.

If he is right and hoenst, we would have little other reasonable alternative than to destroy Iran, Syria, North Korea completely if wanting to be sure they never can pose a nuclear threat again and also very important: before nuclear devices would be smuggled into european or american cities, one getting blown off, and then demands get dictated to defenseless and practically: totally defeated Western nations under the eternal sieg of nuclear blackmailing. If he is not true, then many scenarios are imaginable, including the one just outlined.

How to decide that?

We simply do not know yet. But I want hard, solid evidence before agreeing to nuclear wipeout of three nations. theories and conclusions are not good enough.

But no matter what's up with Gaubartz, no matter if he is true or if he is just a symptom of the political right that at all costs wants to avoid admitting that Iraq was a mistake and that wants to prove at all cost that it always has been right, the Iraq war nevertheless had not been launched on the premisse of Saddam being linked to 9/11 or constucting nuclear bombs. Ackoridng knowledge was not there, only well-developed, ten year old plans to attack Iraq, no matter ifn there would have been a 9/11 or WMDs being found.

So, I do not decide the issue of Gaubartz right now, but also do not close his file and put it off my table. It just needs much more than blogs by Philips or Malkin to compensate the lack of solid hard evidence and facts in order to rasie the credibility of Gaubartz claims. For the moment, I let him rest in stasis , and my future attitude towards him is not yet decided. I reject to form my final opinion right now.

[The WosMan]

You really hate jews don't you?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by The WosMan

You really hate jews don't you?

Yes he does. But he also hates any colored skin as well. So, he follows along the lines of White Supremacist, yet what throws me for a loop is he is pro Socialism / Communism, which advocates that minorities are equal.

So, now that everything is black and white, there are only two explanations - 1. being he is simply confused about who he is or where he stands both himself and government, but thinks that white people are superior, or 2. He has nothing more to do with his life than cause arguments at Subsim.com. I am actually of the opinion that it is a slight combination of the two.

Quite frankly though, I am done arguing against the White Supremacy rhetoric. It is not worth my time. Feel free if you want. I am sticking to replies that are 'ON TOPIC'! Crazy.

-S

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yes he does. But he also hates any colored skin as well. So, he follows along the lines of White Supremacist, yet what throws me for a loop is he is pro Socialism / Communism, which advocates that minorities are equal.

So, now that everything is black and white, there are only two explanations - 1. being he is simply confused about who he is or where he stands both himself and government, but thinks that white people are superior, or 2. He has nothing more to do with his life than cause arguments at Subsim.com. I am actually of the opinion that it is a slight combination of the two.

Quite frankly though, I am done arguing against the White Supremacy rhetoric. It is not worth my time. Feel free if you want. I am sticking to replies that are 'ON TOPIC'! Crazy.

-S

you have any evidence to support this ridiculous claim...?? after all...that was before i realized capitalism works and socialism doesnt because socialism basically causes the people to be lazy since they know the government takes care of it all...

and automatically you say i am a white supremacist.. you dont know nothing about my political views and views on society, i am a WHITE NATIONALIST.. theres a difference, Us nationalists believe that Multiculturalism does not work, and we believe us as a white population should have a country only for our selves... look at what multiculturalism did to the U.S.. you have blacks, mexicans, all these minorities inducing gangs, violence.

in simple terms multiculturalism is a good thing.. BUT when this kind of stuff happens
http://ca.altermedia.info/civil-righ...pply_3456.html

or this
http://sosdfireblog.blogspot.com/200...ested-for.html

or when these commericials clearly show that whites need to breed with other minorites..



here is a racist commercial against whites.. clearly shown on tv.. but when a racist commercial agianst blacks is whown everyone screams "RACISM!!! RACISM!!"


when the country i live in was created by our ancestors, stars having commercials like these, allowing more minorities rights then the majority of a population.. something is wrong, why should we allow people of other nations into our country and allow them to take over??? , a prime example is japan, their immigration policies are stricter then ever.. and look at their society.. world leaders in technology, health , they are rich, have a strong economy.. despite being located near a major volcanic fault line as well as earthquake fault lines...

do i want to kill all blacks?? no, do i want to kill all jews ?? no.. all minorites except whites?? no... i simply dont want them in North America (U.S, Canada) and Europe
hispanics have south america, blacks have africa, asians have Asia, arabs have Middle East.. we deserve our own land.. not to be integrated with other races... after all we are all the same species arent we??? so what makes them so special over us????

and i am done with this thread.. we have gone to far off topic..