Nazism in Israel - doh!

[Skybird]

This took me by surprise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6985808.stm

Amazing. I never would have thought that possible.

[The Avon Lady]

To get a general understanding of how this could come about, see the talkback comments on this JPost article.

[Skybird]

Done. But it still puzzles me. when they cam as kids to Israel, then one is wondering what happened to them inside the Jewish state that they could turn out to become the modern archenemy of Judaism. One would have expected the opposite.

I know not much, if anything at all, about Israeli society. and maybe that is still too optimistic a self-assessment.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Done. But it still puzzles me. when they cam as kids to Israel, then one is wondering what happened to them inside the Jewish state that they could turn out to become the modern archenemy of Judaism. One would have expected the opposite.

I know not much, if anything at all, about Israeli society. and maybe that is still too optimistic a self-assessment.

The massive immigration of Russian and FSU members in the 80's and 90's consisted of some 35% to 65% non-Jews, depending on what you base your statistics on. These families mainly came for potentially economic reasons. We're talking about 100's of 1000's of people like this.

It's not difficult to find anti-semites in such a big slice of Russian, Ukrainian, Lithuainian, etc., natives. They stick to each other here. When concentrated enough in one neighborhood/suburb, their children would make up the vast majority of the area public school. Even when distributed throughout large areas, they have their own clubs, gangs, etc.

We knew this was happening when numerous Russian acquaintences we knew all began saying that most of the new Russians they're seeing at work, on the bus and at school were definitely not Jewish at all.

[Skybird]

Oh. I thought that Israel had exclusively Jewish immigration.

Sounds like a big knowledge hole of mine. Sooner or later I must get some more basic infomation on Israel's social structures and communal functioning. But right now I have five books on my table, reading them simultaneously at different times and opportunities of the day... Multitasked reading is a bad habit...

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh. I thought that Israel had exclusively Jewish immigration.

The law of return was riddled with loopholes by the secular leftists in the Labor Party government when this all began, plus lax enforcement of it, with the excuse that we need to pile on masses of people to bolster the demographics and quantity reigns supreme.

Heck! I could most probably find a way to easily forge you an ability to move over.

The next stupid step is these politicians saying that now, after the fact, and it's obvious that even the least Jewish Israelis recognize these people aren't even Jewish, the government is attempting a campaign of mass lip-service conversion that's an absolute farce. We're already past the point here where religious organizations are thinking of banding together to maintain ancestorial records to document who is definitely Jewish or not. This was last done on a massive scale at the time of Exra the Prophet, when Israel returned from the Babylonian and Persian exile to build the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem. At that time, the massive problem was Jews who had intermarried in exile yet still were interested in returning to Israel.

[Skybird]

You fit nicely into the practices here in the EU.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You fit nicely into the practices here in the EU.

Which is exactly what Shimon Peres' "New Middle East" was supposed to be.

For a hint, see A Non-Jew Becomes President of Israel.

For fun (in a depressing sort of way), see Shimon Says, unfortunately not up-to-date, which would quadruple its quotations content.

[The Avon Lady]

An excellent summary of this news can be found at an always well written blog, Israel Matzav: The Israeli neo-Nazis are no surprise.

i understand what arabs in israel fight for, they fight for their land soil and blood. National Socialists in europe fight for the same. but a bunch of russians in israel....ummm...

[Skybird]

Zero tolerance for Nazis in this forum.

[Heibges]

I was talking to the security guard outside my bank the other night while waiting to use the ATM. He was about 55, and had emigrated from Russia to the United States in the late 1980's. I think he said his father was Jewish, but his mother was Russian so he had a Russian passport.

And to quote him, "My Passport said Russian, but my nose said Jew so I was always getting beaten up."

[kiwi_2005]

Ok theirs Nazis in israel, big deal, they're everywhere, & israel too. But what were the nazis in a Jewish land planning on doing? :rotfl:

Idiots

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Swede

i understand what arabs in israel fight for, they fight for their land soil and blood. National Socialists in europe fight for the same. but a bunch of russians in israel....ummm...

Russian Israeli Nazis. I hate Russian Israeli Nazis!

(Me and my poor typing)

Originally Posted by Heibges

Russian Israeli Nazis. I have Russian Israeli Nazis.

I hear you Elwood