[TEC] Getting aircraft to attack periscopes

tater · 06-03-07, 11:49 AM

You always read about subs that are not even surfaced being attacked by aircraft. In game this never happens, certainly not earlier in the war.

I notice that the big planes get radar at some point. I need to test and see if H8Ks after they get radar can/will attack a periscope. It would be interesting if this was possible.

If no tweaking to the visual "sensor" would allow this, my thought was that perhaps it might be faked with an extremely short-ranged radar added to the plane eqp files. It's sole purpose would be to change the detection chances so that the results more closely mimic reality, it would be a "fake" radar.

Make any sense?

Jace11 · 06-03-07, 12:25 PM

Yup, agreed, ships dont see the scope, planes dont see it either..

One idea...

I wondered whether it was possible to make a new sensor for AI aircraft. it would be a visual sensor like normal, except it is active at a negative depth..

it would have a very short range, say 1 km but once inside that range ...

the sensor height instead of say 0 to 10000 would be about -5 to 10000?

What would happen then.. could it see you just under the surface or at peri-depth

like other visual sensors it would be effected by fog, light waves etc..

tater · 06-03-07, 12:36 PM

Good idea!

donut · 06-03-07, 01:16 PM

Having spent time served in USCG.air search,& rescue. Seeing a scope @2,000 feet is not possible,if there is no wake,due to same. My contention is perhaps from (stable platform) surface craft @ 1/2 visual range,air craft:less than 1,000ft.only if sub @ flank/full.(IMHO)

If there is any wind ocean is white with foam,(No wake) . .With MK52 gun fire control radar, periscope will not return a pip signal to indicate same. In 1961.

tater · 06-03-07, 02:08 PM

Useful. I was thinking some sort of additional "sensor" that we'd make up sepcifically for the task. We can set the range to X meters, that doesn't matter as long as it's realistic. I don;t want to always get spotted, it'd be nice to worry about it, though.

I do know that from rereading Blair, it seems to have happened fairly often.

Water clarity/depth might have something to do with it as well. In shallows, the sub might stand out vs light sandy bottom in clear pacific water. I was on Kauai a month ago, and you could read a newpaper at the bottom if you dropped it off the boat.

leovampire · 06-03-07, 03:26 PM

I like having to dive and hide from planes it actualy gives me a reason to dive other than on an attack from me but having them detect my scope once I am down no F---King Way.

I haited that about SHIII could be going along at time compression and sudenly getting hit by plane bombs because I didn't notice the stealth meter went red. The Radar was way too sensitive in that game for the planes. Use to piss me off big time.

And seeing in this game there is no quick way to get to home base it would make things worse in that respect.

donut · 06-03-07, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

I do know that from rereading Blair, it seems to have happened fairly often.

Water clarity/depth might have something to do with it as well. In shallows, the sub might stand out vs light sandy bottom in clear pacific water. I was on Kauai a month ago, and you could read a newspaper at the bottom if you dropped it off the boat.

Now you have the real detection from the air,MK 2 eye ball.

Shallow ! This would be scary,if implamented.(but fun)!real.

06-03-07, 11:49 AM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	[TEC] Getting aircraft to attack periscopes You always read about subs that are not even surfaced being attacked by aircraft. In game this never happens, certainly not earlier in the war. I notice that the big planes get radar at some point. I need to test and see if H8Ks after they get radar can/will attack a periscope. It would be interesting if this was possible. If no tweaking to the visual "sensor" would allow this, my thought was that perhaps it might be faked with an extremely short-ranged radar added to the plane eqp files. It's sole purpose would be to change the detection chances so that the results more closely mimic reality, it would be a "fake" radar. Make any sense?

06-03-07, 01:16 PM	#4
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Capt.tater,Hate to rain on your parade. Having spent time served in USCG.air search,& rescue. Seeing a scope @2,000 feet is not possible,if there is no wake,due to same. My contention is perhaps from (stable platform) surface craft @ 1/2 visual range,air craft:less than 1,000ft.only if sub @ flank/full.(IMHO)If there is any wind ocean is white with foam,(No wake) . .With MK52 gun fire control radar, periscope will not return a pip signal to indicate same. In 1961. Last edited by donut; 06-03-07 at 01:36 PM.

06-03-07, 03:26 PM	#6
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Be honest who or how many would want this I like having to dive and hide from planes it actualy gives me a reason to dive other than on an attack from me but having them detect my scope once I am down no F---King Way. I haited that about SHIII could be going along at time compression and sudenly getting hit by plane bombs because I didn't notice the stealth meter went red. The Radar was way too sensitive in that game for the planes. Use to piss me off big time. And seeing in this game there is no quick way to get to home base it would make things worse in that respect. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

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06-03-07, 12:25 PM	#2
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Yup, agreed, ships dont see the scope, planes dont see it either.. One idea... I wondered whether it was possible to make a new sensor for AI aircraft. it would be a visual sensor like normal, except it is active at a negative depth.. it would have a very short range, say 1 km but once inside that range ... the sensor height instead of say 0 to 10000 would be about -5 to 10000? What would happen then.. could it see you just under the surface or at peri-depth like other visual sensors it would be effected by fog, light waves etc..

06-03-07, 12:36 PM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Good idea!

06-03-07, 02:08 PM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Useful. I was thinking some sort of additional "sensor" that we'd make up sepcifically for the task. We can set the range to X meters, that doesn't matter as long as it's realistic. I don;t want to always get spotted, it'd be nice to worry about it, though. I do know that from rereading Blair, it seems to have happened fairly often. Water clarity/depth might have something to do with it as well. In shallows, the sub might stand out vs light sandy bottom in clear pacific water. I was on Kauai a month ago, and you could read a newpaper at the bottom if you dropped it off the boat.