Black Submarine sailors

rman214 · 04-16-07, 04:56 PM

To UBISOFT: How about including some black submarine sailors in your next patch?. Black sailors have served with distinction and courage in the silent service and have been included in most, if not all of the popular WW2 submarine movies. It would add a proper historical perspective to the game.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-16-07, 04:58 PM

That is something that should be done

AirborneTD · 04-16-07, 05:59 PM

They served as mess attendants. How do you want to see that modelled in this game? If you have evidence that they performed other functions, please let me know.

Subsim Monitor · 04-16-07, 06:07 PM

They were only allowed to serve as stewards.

clayton · 04-16-07, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

They were only allowed to serve as stewards.

What a shame!

04-16-07, 06:15 PM

African-Americans have a distinguished record in American submarines particularly during the Second World War. That record stands in contrast to the difficulties imposed on them by decades of intolerant official government policy. Before the war the government prohibited African-Americans from joining the Navy. When it finally lifted the ban the only rate available to black applicants was in food service, variously called mess attendant, steward, steward mate or officers' cook. During the Second World War these men in the basic rate of steward qualified without difficulty. Here was the irony of their situation - they were officially condemned to what was thought to be a simple rate yet they qualified in submarines which meant that they had to know the complexity of every system on the boat. In actual practice these men served in a variety of submarine jobs including helmsmen, planesmen, gunners, and torpedomen. Officially, they were qualified stewards, but they served their boats in whatever way was needed.

Subsim Monitor · 04-16-07, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clayton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

They were only allowed to serve as stewards.

What a shame!

Hey, they still don't allow women to serve on subs

RDDR · 04-16-07, 06:33 PM

I wonder why?

Mud · 04-16-07, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

Hey, they still don't allow women to serve on subs

*cough*The Netherlands*cough*

Mud

AVGWarhawk · 04-16-07, 06:40 PM

THE NAVY
The NAVY became more restricted in its assignments to Blacks during World War II. Most black Navy men were limited to tours of duty on shore or around small coastal harbors. By 1943, two segregated units, the USS MASON and the Submarine Chaser, the PC 1264, were granted full sailing duties. Over 150,000 Blacks served in the NAVY during World War II. The first black Naval Officer was assigned to an all black crew on the Submarine Chaser in 1943.

clayton · 04-16-07, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

Quote:

Originally Posted by clayton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

They were only allowed to serve as stewards.

What a shame!

Hey, they still don't allow women to serve on subs

Whoa, whoa Neal...slow down... Women???

Factor · 04-16-07, 07:02 PM

whether a black man served as a cook, or a torpedo man, it is a shame that a man had to fight for a country that did not want him.

he must off felt like a conscript on the eastern front.

it would be awesome to see a black charactor in game.

shad43 · 04-16-07, 07:07 PM

Shoulden't be to hard for a graphics modder to fix this

Sagan · 04-16-07, 07:44 PM

PacificSwordsman · 04-16-07, 08:11 PM

Seriously, is there some point to discussing this here? Yes, there were racial inequities in US military service up until the 60's. These have been addressed. Yes, racism still exits - and unfortunately it probably always will. Now go find another place to grind your axe.

04-16-07, 04:56 PM	#1
rman214 Watch Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Black Submarine sailors To UBISOFT: How about including some black submarine sailors in your next patch?. Black sailors have served with distinction and courage in the silent service and have been included in most, if not all of the popular WW2 submarine movies. It would add a proper historical perspective to the game.

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ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	That is something that should be done __________________ Back in the Day

04-16-07, 05:59 PM	#3
AirborneTD Engineer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 204 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	They served as mess attendants. How do you want to see that modelled in this game? If you have evidence that they performed other functions, please let me know. __________________ "You know, you might get surrounded." "We're paratroopers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded." --Band of Brothers

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	*THE NAVY* The NAVY became more restricted in its assignments to Blacks during World War II. Most black Navy men were limited to tours of duty on shore or around small coastal harbors. By 1943, two segregated units, the USS MASON and the Submarine Chaser, the PC 1264, were granted full sailing duties. Over 150,000 Blacks served in the NAVY during World War II. The first black Naval Officer was assigned to an all black crew on the Submarine Chaser in 1943. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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04-16-07, 06:07 PM	#4
Subsim Monitor System Monitor Bot Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,502 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	They were only allowed to serve as stewards.

04-16-07, 06:15 PM	#6
shmall Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	African-Americans have a distinguished record in American submarines particularly during the Second World War. That record stands in contrast to the difficulties imposed on them by decades of intolerant official government policy. Before the war the government prohibited African-Americans from joining the Navy. When it finally lifted the ban the only rate available to black applicants was in food service, variously called mess attendant, steward, steward mate or officers' cook. During the Second World War these men in the basic rate of steward qualified without difficulty. Here was the irony of their situation - they were officially condemned to what was thought to be a simple rate yet they qualified in submarines which meant that they had to know the complexity of every system on the boat. In actual practice these men served in a variety of submarine jobs including helmsmen, planesmen, gunners, and torpedomen. Officially, they were qualified stewards, but they served their boats in whatever way was needed.

04-16-07, 06:33 PM	#8
RDDR Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 67 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	I wonder why?

04-16-07, 07:02 PM	#12
Factor Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 356 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	whether a black man served as a cook, or a torpedo man, it is a shame that a man had to fight for a country that did not want him. he must off felt like a conscript on the eastern front. it would be awesome to see a black charactor in game.

04-16-07, 07:07 PM	#13
shad43 Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: six feet under Posts: 301 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Shoulden't be to hard for a graphics modder to fix this

04-16-07, 07:44 PM	#14
Sagan Sailor man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 43 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0

04-16-07, 08:11 PM	#15
PacificSwordsman Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Seriously, is there some point to discussing this here? Yes, there were racial inequities in US military service up until the 60's. These have been addressed. Yes, racism still exits - and unfortunately it probably always will. Now go find another place to grind your axe.