Forced retirement (merged)

jrlans · 03-27-07, 08:03 PM

Just after getting my new Gato class boat and being transfered from CompacSW to Peral my very next patrol no matter what i do, no matter how much i sink (and ive had patrols of 150k of tonage) I get told that they are phasing out my class (/boggle, sence its 42 and Gato classes are the best of the best at this time) and making room for better more agresive comanders . . . any help would be apprciated i dont realy want to have to start a new carrer

clayton · 03-27-07, 08:13 PM

Since we start out in early 44, I wonder if anyone could even get to 1945 with forced retirement. :hmm:

jrlans · 03-27-07, 08:19 PM

there anyway to stop from being retired and actualy fight out the whole war? If not how boring and yet something else that needs to be modded and changed

AVGWarhawk · 03-27-07, 08:34 PM

Yes, early retirment for you man. You already sound like you on the edge. A nice desk job for you in Pearl sound about right

Deep6 · 03-27-07, 08:56 PM

Probably a feature by the programmers to keep you from getting super crews. Send you out to sale bonds rather than letting you put your uber crew up against the not so hot AI crewed ships.

TheSatyr · 03-27-07, 09:05 PM

Most sub captains were limited to making 5-6 patrols and then got sent back to the states for new construction, or a desk job. War bond tours were highly unlikely...after all it was the Silent Service and the Sub Service wouldn't want too many details getting out about how they operated.

The luckier ones got staff jobs with the various Sub Squadrons...still a desk job but one where you at least still got to hang around Subs.

Takao · 03-27-07, 09:28 PM

Well, it would be nice to go to new construction and come back about a year later. Once the boat has been built, commissioned, fully tested, and crew trained.

The easy way around the uber crews would have be to do it historically. US subs lost an average of 15%-20% of their crews going to another boat, new construction, etc.

If the forced retirement is that quick, I'm starting my next career in 1943-44. That way I can have the new boat with all the bells and whistles. That way I won't lose my Gato right after I get it. That would be a pisser!

TheSatyr · 03-27-07, 09:44 PM

I thought you could use renown to avoid getting "retired"? I haven't really played SH4 too much yet. Besides...the asw a/c seem to have it in for me and I haven't lived long enough to make it to retirement...*lol*

Takao · 03-27-07, 10:07 PM

Like you, TheSatyr, I haven't played long enough yet to find out. Started out from the beginning of the war at Pearl. I'm still on my first war patrol, trying to do an end run on a Japanese carrier task force. There are two Kates and one Zero on patrol that keep me diving, thus its taken a most of the day to just come broadside to the task force. Not mentioning a pesky Mavis flying out of Japan that drops in every few hours.

I don't know the cost of renown it takes to keep a boat. Or, if its a once and done deal, ie. using your renown to buy one more patrol. Or if its an excuse to keep the player from getting to much renown. The Type XXI in SHIII was, what 33,000. What's a Gato or Balao going for?

As for the manual...it was distressingly vague or just plain wrong most of the time for me to trust it. Most of what I have learned about SHIV have been from messageboards like this one, and not from the manual.

So, only time will tell...

Grell · 03-28-07, 01:44 AM

That's rather unsettling, I mean who want's to have just 5 or 6 patrols? The more the merrier.

Regrads,

Grell

joea · 03-28-07, 05:04 AM

Well if you want a game not a sim, go ahead and mod it for a wartime career.

OneTinSoldier · 03-28-07, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

Well if you want a game not a sim, go ahead and mod it for a wartime career.

I think what's being asked for here is a sim that's fun without being too constrictive. Playing the entire war wouldn't mean that you are no longer simulating the job of being a sub commander. There is no need to try and belittle folks by making them feel like they are suddenly gamers instead of simmers.

hova311 · 03-28-07, 07:30 AM

It's got to be a BUG cause I had the SAME EXACT senerio. The devs would be stupied to force the player out of a career after 5 patrols. And if other people are being retired with the exact same conditions then it's probably a bug. I was told your doing a good job here's a GATO in Pearl then after my first mission with my new ship they say your retired and so is your ship.

ccruner13 · 03-28-07, 07:34 AM

imo 1.1 made it so we start with super crews...i ran a career for quite a while but i dontremember how many patrols i made. 1.1 came so i started over. i got a gato for my porpoise and then it got destroyed and they gave me a gar. the only crew you lose is deck watchmen who are really easily replaced. youd think some would get promoted out of your boat too?

Anachronous · 03-28-07, 07:37 AM

I hear that in patch 1.2, when you die, your game uninstalls and your Disk explodes! Now thats realism!

03-27-07, 08:03 PM	#1
jrlans Nub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Forced retirement (merged) Just after getting my new Gato class boat and being transfered from CompacSW to Peral my very next patrol no matter what i do, no matter how much i sink (and ive had patrols of 150k of tonage) I get told that they are phasing out my class (/boggle, sence its 42 and Gato classes are the best of the best at this time) and making room for better more agresive comanders . . . any help would be apprciated i dont realy want to have to start a new carrer

03-27-07, 08:34 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes, early retirment for you man. You already sound like you on the edge. A nice desk job for you in Pearl sound about right __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road Last edited by AVGWarhawk; 03-28-07 at 08:39 AM.

03-27-07, 08:56 PM	#5
Deep6 Gunner Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 95 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Probably a feature by the programmers to keep you from getting super crews. Send you out to sale bonds rather than letting you put your uber crew up against the not so hot AI crewed ships. __________________ Let\'s play Hide and Seek\'n\'Destroy!

03-28-07, 07:37 AM	#15
Anachronous Medic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tasmania Posts: 167 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I hear that in patch 1.2, when you die, your game uninstalls and your Disk explodes! Now thats realism! __________________ Use of undefined constants causes assumptions!

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03-27-07, 08:13 PM	#2
clayton Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: At your mom's house... Posts: 571 Downloads: 218 Uploads: 0	Since we start out in early 44, I wonder if anyone could even get to 1945 with forced retirement. :hmm:

03-27-07, 08:19 PM	#3
jrlans Nub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	there anyway to stop from being retired and actualy fight out the whole war? If not how boring and yet something else that needs to be modded and changed

03-27-07, 09:05 PM	#6
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Most sub captains were limited to making 5-6 patrols and then got sent back to the states for new construction, or a desk job. War bond tours were highly unlikely...after all it was the Silent Service and the Sub Service wouldn't want too many details getting out about how they operated. The luckier ones got staff jobs with the various Sub Squadrons...still a desk job but one where you at least still got to hang around Subs.

03-27-07, 09:28 PM	#7
Takao Officer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 244 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Well, it would be nice to go to new construction and come back about a year later. Once the boat has been built, commissioned, fully tested, and crew trained. The easy way around the uber crews would have be to do it historically. US subs lost an average of 15%-20% of their crews going to another boat, new construction, etc. If the forced retirement is that quick, I'm starting my next career in 1943-44. That way I can have the new boat with all the bells and whistles. That way I won't lose my Gato right after I get it. That would be a pisser!

03-27-07, 09:44 PM	#8
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I thought you could use renown to avoid getting "retired"? I haven't really played SH4 too much yet. Besides...the asw a/c seem to have it in for me and I haven't lived long enough to make it to retirement...lol

03-27-07, 10:07 PM	#9
Takao Officer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 244 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Like you, TheSatyr, I haven't played long enough yet to find out. Started out from the beginning of the war at Pearl. I'm still on my first war patrol, trying to do an end run on a Japanese carrier task force. There are two Kates and one Zero on patrol that keep me diving, thus its taken a most of the day to just come broadside to the task force. Not mentioning a pesky Mavis flying out of Japan that drops in every few hours. I don't know the cost of renown it takes to keep a boat. Or, if its a once and done deal, ie. using your renown to buy one more patrol. Or if its an excuse to keep the player from getting to much renown. The Type XXI in SHIII was, what 33,000. What's a Gato or Balao going for? As for the manual...it was distressingly vague or just plain wrong most of the time for me to trust it. Most of what I have learned about SHIV have been from messageboards like this one, and not from the manual. So, only time will tell...

03-28-07, 01:44 AM	#10
Grell Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 59 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's rather unsettling, I mean who want's to have just 5 or 6 patrols? The more the merrier. Regrads, Grell

03-28-07, 05:04 AM	#11
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Well if you want a game not a sim, go ahead and mod it for a wartime career.

03-28-07, 07:30 AM	#13
hova311 Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's got to be a BUG cause I had the SAME EXACT senerio. The devs would be stupied to force the player out of a career after 5 patrols. And if other people are being retired with the exact same conditions then it's probably a bug. I was told your doing a good job here's a GATO in Pearl then after my first mission with my new ship they say your retired and so is your ship.

03-28-07, 07:34 AM	#14
ccruner13 Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 175 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	imo 1.1 made it so we start with super crews...i ran a career for quite a while but i dontremember how many patrols i made. 1.1 came so i started over. i got a gato for my porpoise and then it got destroyed and they gave me a gar. the only crew you lose is deck watchmen who are really easily replaced. youd think some would get promoted out of your boat too?