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Wow! This one is kind of powerful! Definitely worth the read.
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That Menry Broder is a good one. I red his book, from which this is an excerpt.http://www.spiegel.de/international/...462149,00.html
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You're in Germany - what is up with that Muslim Holiday BS? Is that true? -S |
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I hope you don't mind, I added "Article" to the title of the thread. That article is very provacative and it would not take much looking for people to find similarly themed articles "America: the mental wasteland", etc.
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-S PS. By the way, I'm catching you on # of posts. ![]() |
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![]() The holiday story was some months ago. It was laughed down by most people. Probably only a question of time until somebody puts it back on the agenda again, though. |
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Discussion about Islam in Germany is based on intellectual illiteracy, and existing problems are always, always glossed over, ignorred, or declared to be the guilt of the germans, while the immigrants are always the poor, willing, misunderstood victims that are confronted with zero chances and german hostility. That the willingness of newcoming Muslims to integrate is decreasing, and never was that high as was stated by so many wannabe-experts, that the young seocnd generation Muhammedans in Germany are far more religiously ambitoned and redicalised and hostile towards Western standards, and that we have these many problems always and almost exclusively with Muhammedans, almost never (or at substantial lesser degrees only) with Europeans, Russian, Africans, peope from Asia, South America, North America, is ignored. It also is asked on rare occasions only if maybe there are well-justified reasons why more and more Germans (already a solid majority today) oppose Islam in general, and ongoing Islamic "immigration" in special. they all suffer from hallucinations only, I assume. Allowing such questions - that would be racism! The bad word that in Germany silences any unwanted debate immediately. There is always a lot of talking about their "rights" (even rights that they do not have, or that even Germans would not have), but there is never much talk about their duties, obligations and their need to integrate themselves. Broder wants to provoke discussion, and disturbing the intellectual paralysis, the sunday afternoon holiday mood of the fed up, sleepy, self-satisfied burgeoisie that thinks problems will get solved by ignoring them. Watering flowers is so much more peaceful, isn't it. Kreissler once called his country of origin, Austria, a nation of "Blumengiesser". I call the Germans the same. Broder's polemic is well-dosed. He is basing on uncomfortable facts. He picks the facts, expresses them in an irnoic way, and shows up links by which they are belomnging together over time, because these time-links are often forgotten soon in our short-memory-culture with 20 seconds news-shows. His examples in that book are true, and can't be denied. Not many others dare to bring them up and insisting on the troubles being caused by Muhammedan ideology. If you hear such people in TV, you realise that they immediately come under massive fire from all camps, or are feeling so guilty that they put it in more and more gentle words voluntarily and even excuse themselves for being of that non-conformal opinion. Most islam discussion on TV - are basing on horrific incompetence and non-existant knowledge that is replaced by sexy catch-phrases and empty slogans, and also self-denial and historcal forging. the audience swallows it - for it has not knowlöedge basis by which to judge the quality of the crap that is presented. A flock of sheep. As to be expected, social scientist driven by the spirit of the rebellious 68-generation and pedagogical supertheories (that long since have prooved their failure and missing of realities), professional all-understanders, well-meaning mass-talkers with oh so wide and warm hearts, and political lefts are in the lead here. If the one author accuses Broder of representing a low niveau, then he has not got Broder's intention, and I also would recommend him to read some of the books by Raddatz, whose writings are an intellectual tour de force through history, scripture and academical analysis of Islam, with lots of secondary literature, much of it from Islamic sources. This is academical hardcore. This is top class niveau, the author contributed to several works about Islam that internationally are considered to be standard works today, and he co-authored the encyclopedia on Islam, another voluminous standard work of western university libraries. They are difficult and long readings, usually, not as short and harmless like my usual essays ![]() Ironically, there are (or were) many hate-sites attacking Raddatz. And very many of them are/were not driven by Muhammedans, but non-Muhammedan Germans. Never threat the lull illusions of the burgeosie, it teaches us. And wonder oh wonder, although of very different academical niveau, Raddatz in his books attacks the very same things and comes to the same conclusions like Broder. The difference is that he is not a Jew, and says little about Israel, and only talks about Judaism were it is needed to understand Christian faith. For compensation he brandmarks the foolishness of the churches' policies of the last fourty years, and attacks the last pope with irresistable argument. I liked to see such an expert sharing my bitter disgust for John Paul II. So again, the book by Broder, "Hurra wir kapitulieren", is an intended, but well-founded, well-dosed polemic. The basis of argument is solid and well-researched, and then gets expressed with lots of irony. That is where the polemic is coming from. that irony that comes from bitterness, because in principle Broder loves Europe, its promising past and high civilisation it once had reached, and can't get over it easily that now it is going down the drain, and all those precious values of humanism, "egalite, liberté, fraternité", are getting corrupted and silently murdered. I feel very much the same hidden sadness and bitterness. Last edited by Skybird; 03-03-07 at 07:07 AM. |
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NATO is absolutly pathetic.... theres more chance of world peace then them reaching a agreement ![]()
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