Colored marker

Archive1 · 02-06-07, 07:34 PM

Why doesn't someone create colors for the "Marker" stylus so the user can put separately colored "Xs" on the nav map to indicate different events, contacts, areas to watch, aircraft contacts for range estimates, etc? I'd find it helpful.

ReallyDedPoet · 02-07-07, 08:09 AM

Sounds interesting. Bump

ref · 02-07-07, 09:00 AM

Sorry, but that's not possible to mod, the drawing routines are hard coded.

Ref

Archive1 · 02-07-07, 05:36 PM

"Sorry, but that's not possible to mod, the drawing routines are hard coded."

Doesn't that just mean it's written into the C++ (or whatever) code? And therefore with access to the compiled code, one can uncompile and modify the coding to create a reference to a freestanding, small file that incorporated: maybe a variety of marking shapes (triangle, square, circle, etc) and/or colors, then recompile. I have no idea who has access to the compiled code...maybe in a vault in Romania, but folks in NYGM and GWx seem to be able to most anything they want to the basic program.
Just a thought

Sailor Steve · 02-07-07, 06:02 PM

Thereby breaking several laws and causing all sorts of legal trouble for the modders and Subsim, including huge fines and possible jail time. That's why people beg companies to "release the codes" for older games.

02-07-07, 06:29 PM

You can't de-compile C++ as the very act of compiling it "strips" the routines
down.
The closest you came come is to Dis-assemble the compiled files which leaves you
everything in Assembly Language, then not always complete.
And if you don't know Assembly Language it would make no sense to you at all!
Hex work is a piece of cake compared to messing with Assembly!

GT182 · 02-07-07, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Hex work is a piece of cake compared to messing with Assembly!

I had a Hex worked on me years ago while in Jr. High. I let loose a squeeker during Assembly while the Reverend was giving the prayer.

Took 'em 5 minutes to to quiet the place down. Ended up in detension for making loud lacivious noises.

ref · 02-07-07, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archive1

but folks in NYGM and GWx seem to be able to most anything they want to the basic program.
Just a thought

I'm one of the members of GWX, and I can asure you WE DON'T EDIT the program files, we only change/create data files, textures, etc. If you have any doubts please feel free to compare the executable files before/after installing GWX and you'll see no diference.

Ref

melnibonian · 02-07-07, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archive1

but folks in NYGM and GWx seem to be able to most anything they want to the basic program.

As Ref said the basic code stay the same after modding. If you don't like this or think it's easy to de-complie the code and alter it, I would suggest you give it a shot yourself. It's a big no and if you just have a look at the files you will realise what I mean (plus it's illegal).

Archive1 · 02-07-07, 11:54 PM

Whoa! Just was an idea. Of course, if I'd thought it out the source code would of course be protected by Ubisoft. I did not consider that NYGM and GWX were, maybe, only working with cfg files etc., especially since I had no idea how they worked their magic.
Ease up please. It seems to me that these fora are places to try out ideas for improvements that will benefit everyone. Some good, probably some bad. But I think we should give the messenger the benefit of the doubt and assume reasonably good intentions.

02-08-07, 12:21 AM

If I came across as attacking you, I apoligize.

I to, when I first asked a few questions got a lectureing.

And I to, was a bit miss understood.
It will be alright, I assure you!

The people here are a great bunch? :hmm:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Mush Martin · 02-08-07, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

If I came across as attacking you, I apoligize.

I to, when I first asked a few questions got a lectureing.

And I to, was a bit miss understood.
It will be alright, I assure you!

The people here are a great bunch? :hmm:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Me too

Archive1 · 02-09-07, 06:11 PM

Privateer and all:
No sweat.
Just thought the response from some was a bit more vigorous that it might have been, tho' after the recent episode regarding possible (probable) design plagerism, I can understand the "war room" rapid response.
Of course, you're right re: assembly - talking directly to the metal is very difficult. I do not know that the basic code is C++ of course, and without that one could not even start to read it.
Anyway, no one would or should want to mess with source.
Over at WaW someone suggested using a grease pencil on the monitor - right!

ref · 02-09-07, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archive1

Privateer and all:
No sweat.
Just thought the response from some was a bit more vigorous that it might have been, tho' after the recent episode regarding possible (probable) design plagerism, I can understand the "war room" rapid response.
Of course, you're right re: assembly - talking directly to the metal is very difficult. I do not know that the basic code is C++ of course, and without that one could not even start to read it.
Anyway, no one would or should want to mess with source.
Over at WaW someone suggested using a grease pencil on the monitor - right!

I don't mean to be rude, I was sure you meant no harm, but what you're talking about it's not just "borrowing" a tga and claim it's ours, modifying the executables is ilegal, I just want to be very clear about that GW isn't changing any executable file before someone cuotes you and things get out of hand.

Ref

Archive1 · 02-10-07, 01:23 AM

Ref:
I do understand. No intent on my part to encourage attacks or modifications of source...I've written code myself and certainly do/did not want anyone modifying it.

We all have ideas for improving sims that we work with and enjoy. Usually we have no idea how those programs are really structured and what programming limbs are outside source and are accessible for appropriate modification. Not many companies encourage mods and fewer write code to permit much. I think that's unfortunate, for getting the user community involved usually produces a product that has longer commercial legs and ultimately is better, and usually permits a follow-on product that ultimately results in more revenue to the original developers.

I must give GWX a try. Wish the download were smaller so the time to acquire the program were not so horrendous.

Cordially, Archive1

02-06-07, 07:34 PM	#1
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 495 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Colored marker Why doesn't someone create colors for the "Marker" stylus so the user can put separately colored "Xs" on the nav map to indicate different events, contacts, areas to watch, aircraft contacts for range estimates, etc? I'd find it helpful.

02-07-07, 08:09 AM	#2
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Sounds interesting. Bump __________________ Back in the Day

02-07-07, 09:00 AM	#3
ref Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 871 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sorry, but that's not possible to mod, the drawing routines are hard coded. Ref __________________

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Thereby breaking several laws and causing all sorts of legal trouble for the modders and Subsim, including huge fines and possible jail time. That's why people beg companies to "release the codes" for older games. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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02-07-07, 05:36 PM	#4
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 495 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	"Sorry, but that's not possible to mod, the drawing routines are hard coded." Doesn't that just mean it's written into the C++ (or whatever) code? And therefore with access to the compiled code, one can uncompile and modify the coding to create a reference to a freestanding, small file that incorporated: maybe a variety of marking shapes (triangle, square, circle, etc) and/or colors, then recompile. I have no idea who has access to the compiled code...maybe in a vault in Romania, but folks in NYGM and GWx seem to be able to most anything they want to the basic program. Just a thought

02-07-07, 06:29 PM	#6
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	You can't de-compile C++ as the very act of compiling it "strips" the routines down. The closest you came come is to Dis-assemble the compiled files which leaves you everything in Assembly Language, then not always complete. And if you don't know Assembly Language it would make no sense to you at all! Hex work is a piece of cake compared to messing with Assembly!

02-07-07, 11:54 PM	#10
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 495 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Whoa! Just was an idea. Of course, if I'd thought it out the source code would of course be protected by Ubisoft. I did not consider that NYGM and GWX were, maybe, only working with cfg files etc., especially since I had no idea how they worked their magic. Ease up please. It seems to me that these fora are places to try out ideas for improvements that will benefit everyone. Some good, probably some bad. But I think we should give the messenger the benefit of the doubt and assume reasonably good intentions.

02-08-07, 12:21 AM	#11
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If I came across as attacking you, I apoligize. I to, when I first asked a few questions got a lectureing. And I to, was a bit miss understood. It will be alright, I assure you! The people here are a great bunch? :hmm: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

02-09-07, 06:11 PM	#13
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 495 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Privateer and all: No sweat. Just thought the response from some was a bit more vigorous that it might have been, tho' after the recent episode regarding possible (probable) design plagerism, I can understand the "war room" rapid response. Of course, you're right re: assembly - talking directly to the metal is very difficult. I do not know that the basic code is C++ of course, and without that one could not even start to read it. Anyway, no one would or should want to mess with source. Over at WaW someone suggested using a grease pencil on the monitor - right!

02-10-07, 01:23 AM	#15
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 495 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Ref: I do understand. No intent on my part to encourage attacks or modifications of source...I've written code myself and certainly do/did not want anyone modifying it. We all have ideas for improving sims that we work with and enjoy. Usually we have no idea how those programs are really structured and what programming limbs are outside source and are accessible for appropriate modification. Not many companies encourage mods and fewer write code to permit much. I think that's unfortunate, for getting the user community involved usually produces a product that has longer commercial legs and ultimately is better, and usually permits a follow-on product that ultimately results in more revenue to the original developers. I must give GWX a try. Wish the download were smaller so the time to acquire the program were not so horrendous. Cordially, Archive1